Emerson CQC 7a VS. BM 710 Axis? Opinions please.

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I'm looking to buy either the Emerson CQC 7a, or the BM 710 Axis. Unfortunately, I'll be buying over the "net" and unable to handle either knives.

I'd appreciate any comments on the pros and cons of each. I like the fact that the CQC 7 uses titanium liners, but the 710 has the Axis lock. Which is the better selling point? Thanks for your opinion.
 
I value the Axis Lock over titanium liners. The 710 Axis Lock is one of my top four favorite knives in the large heavy-duty folder category. I recently posted my views on this knife on the Benchmade Forum, so I won't repeat myself. If you're interested, here's the URL:

http://www.benchmade.com/ultbb/Forum1/HTML/000544.html

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I would advise to go with BENCHMADE Model 710 Axis Lock. Axis Lock definitely outperforms Liner Lock.
Titanium liners as itself not as amazing as it seems to be rated, sometimes (not always!) they are prone to stick to blade tang making lock disengaging somewhat difficult. They are also more flexible than steel counterparts.


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Sergiusz Mitin
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Personally, I'd go with the Emerson. But if you have to have an axis lock, why not go with Bechmades most original design in years (cough, cough).

The Benchmade 722 (aka CQC7 Axis Lock)
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If dealers don't have them yet, they will soon.

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John
 
When is the 722 going to be available? This year? There is no mention of it on the benchmade site. How much will it cost? What is the blade length? What is the specs on this folder?
 
Hello,

try a 710HS (m2 blade) and you won't regret it also!

cheers,
JM
 
I used to own a Benchmade CQC7 and sold it. The chisel grind was not as useful for me for general purpose use. I still have a 710 and I would recommend it.

Cheers,
Damon

[This message has been edited by Damon (edited 07-22-2000).]
 
If you like tantos I would go with the 722. They should be available any day now. I already have a pre-production model. Also, it isn't chisel ground. The best of both.

Sticking to the 710 vs. CQC7 I would choose the 710.

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722 looks alright, but what I want to see is a 910 Stryker Axis Lock with 6AL4V titanium liners instead of 410 steel. And while I'm at it, I want it in M2 with a black coating better than that BT2 stuff. I want the black titanium coating on the Microtech's and MOD's. Yeah, that would be a cool knife. It might have to retail for like $200, but the extra money would be worth it!

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Hehe, I want to see a 710 with the same specs as the one Comrade Chang suggested!
Apart from that, I have the original Benchmade CQC7 and the Benchmade 710 Axis and I like the 710 better. I have also had a chance to handle the Emerson manufactured version of the CQC7 and honestly I would prefer the Benchmade one. It seems to me that Emerson has decreased the thickness of the liners so it seems alot flimsier. Which I personally don't like.
All in all, I like the Benchmade CQC7, hate the Emerson version and I would recommend the Benchmade 710 or any of the models with the Axis lock. What ever you buy, enjoy it.

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I prefer the CQC7 over the 710. I think the axis lock is over rated. Owning a 710, 705 BM CQC7 and CQC7A, I hate the 710/705 handles. The inside of the handles curve the wrong way leaving your fore and middle fingers nothing to push against.

I know everybody is going nuts for these axis locks and is going to jump all over me, but the 4 years of reliable service that my CQC7 has provided proved it's worth to me.
 
Forget about Ti liners. They were a fad as far as I am concerned. Steel is stronger and more wear resistant. Makers who are more interested in function than fashion like Elishewitz and Ralph have stated in public that they like stainless steel better, even for liner locks because it makes springier springs and it is more wear resistant. The higher strength of stainless steel allows Benchmade to swiss cheese the liners, so they probably wind up lighter than full Ti liners. The only advantage Ti has over stainless is that Ti is more corrosion resistant (but the blade is stainless, so what's the point?), and it turns pretty colors when you anodize it.

So I guess I am saying that I think the Axis lock is the better selling point, not to mention the better blade design.
 
Saw a 722 yesterday... COOL!

What we need is a MOD trident blade design in Talonite with an AXIS lock.

That would be cool.

Ben
 
FWIW, I sold my CQC-7A to a friend because I didn't like the lousy blade-to-handle ratio and the liner lock that would fail the Spine Whack test regularly. The edge that came with the knife was also only moderately sharp.

The redeeming flipside was that the action was fairly smooth and the handle was pretty comfortable. I'd say to get a 710...
 
The CQC7 is awesome. Benchmadeis simply pissed off that they can't make it anymore (Emerson bought the rights back). Benchmade made sooo much money on that knife...

In my opinion, the BM knives just aren't beefy enough. I'm talking about real hard core knives here.
Nothing, nothing beats titanium. It's springier than any steel any time. It is absolutely resistant to corrosion. It is super duper light.
When you get a knife with a strong lock on it, it is super strong. You could drive the knife to through car doors, buffalo skulls, you name it, nothing is stopping it.
If you have a problem with the lock, take it apart and look at it. Send it back to Emerson, if you can't get it right, they have great customer service. (BM voids the warranty if you take their knife apart)

If you get a CQC7 with a chrome blade, no corrosion on that sucker. Ever.

Choose wisely, enjoy.
 
Hey Tang...

I have both the CQC-7 and the 710 and although the CQC is a great knife,, I'll take an Axis lock over a liner Anyday...

That 722 looks sweet though..
The best of both worlds....

ttyle Eric...

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Hi all!

Please take in consideration that Full Tang Clan is speaking about the CQC7 "A" model. This one is the double ground spearpoint version, not chiselground tanto...

Although I have had some problems with my CQC7a(ball detent hole ground too shallow, =not securely closed IMHO. And a stop pin that was loose and rattling when the knife was closed.).

The customer service at Emerson Knives replied to me in this matter and gave the best thinkable service. As I live in Sweden I am not that very comfortable with sending expensive knives over the ocean. But things turned out well as Ernie Emerson himself sent me a small package including 2 new stop pins and a hand-written personal letter.

I am planning on purchasing a Dremel tool to deepen the ball detent hole slightly.

But, aside of such minor matters
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I do like this knife very much, solid, secure lockup with the thick titanium liner, nice blade geometry and good ergonomics. It feels rather small nowadays compared to my Microtech LCC.
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And, the possibilities of customizing the CQC7 are great, easy to make new handle slabs in some fancy hardwood, for an example.



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