Emerson Deep Cover Knife

I was wondering if any of you have heard of the Emerson Deep Cover knife? I purchased one from a law enforcement catalog a few months ago and called Emerson Knives to get some info on it and the person I spoke with didn't even know what it was. It is a synthetic knife made from 1/4" G-10. It has about a 5" blade and resembles a chisel ground Police Utility knife with an Emerson Commander handle with 5 holes (3 large, 2 small) drilled in it for an improved grip. The reason I was trying to get info from Emerson knives about it was the knife is made from undyed G-10, it is an opaque color. I assume this was done so it wouldn't be as noticeable under a X-ray machine (light passes through it fairly easily)? I wanted to know if there is any way I could have it dyed black by Emerson Knives or if there is any way I could do this myself? I don't like the way it looks, my nephew even said it looks like plastic. I was also wondering if anyone knows of a place where I can get an IWB kydex sheath made for it that is invisable to metal detectors. The sheath that came with it is nylon and a piece of crap. I know that Blade Rigger knives makes a sheath like the one I am looking for, but I am not willing to spend $100 on a sheath for a knife that cost me $50. If anyone has any info on this knife or a place where I can get a sheath for it, I would greatly appreciate it.
 
I know nothing more then that Somer-tech is the only place I've seen it. They have been advertising the knife for years. I've toyed with the idea of getting one for a while.

I figure one of two things:

1. It's an Emerson design, manufacturered by someone else or

2. It's an exculsive Emerson, but made by Jimmy Emerson, Ernie's evil cousin attempting to make money of the family name.
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If I can dig up one of their catalogs later I'll post a scan of the ad.

John Hollister
 
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I think the ad says it's white so it won't show through your clothe. (dark object under a white shirt).

jason
 
My understanding is this:
The original was Designed by Ernie.
Shomer-Tec had someone else make the knife after they ran out of originals and their production schedules could not be met. There
are better alternatives availible.

I personally find MANY knives lack a truly quality or well made sheath system. I have even at times had to learn how to make my own or interface w/ sheath makers to pick up the slack in this area. I cannot afford my knives to "Print" in my line of work. The general public does not take kindly to knives in general and It does'nt look good for Entertainment Tonight or Accesss Holloywood etc. to show someone with a Emerson Vindicator or Maringer Vorpal or MD ATAK "Printing" through their shirt on TV or ?
The direction Detectors are headed, it won't matter in a few years w/ the tecnology out there already. They will detect DENSITY changes in your Body's Composition and other
anomalies. So Carbon Fiber, Ti, Talonite,
Stellite, Ceramic, Concealex will not be as effective then obviously.

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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
Actually it is a "milky" light green shade. I was surprised at first as I thought it may have been in the traditional "stealth" black. It is indeed based on one of Emersons fix blade designs and sold thru ShomerTech mail order. I believe they offered a sheath for $50 more. Is the knife worth the $100? Well, that depends on ones needs and desires of course. But it does have the best ergonomics of any integral handled composite I' ve ever handled.

L8r,
Nakano
 
As usual, Tamishigiri is right on target here. I don't think Emerson had anything to do with the actual manufacture of these Shomer-Tec knives. He's also right about the density detectors making the whole matter moot soon.

I had one of these, along with a Busse composite Stealth, a Frequent Flyer, and a Mirage-X, and all have breezed through airport security without a hitch. The main problem is What is your purpose? Only the Mirage-X really cut like a knife (could shave pieces off a quarter for that matter), and the FF could be pretty useful in extremis. But I'm unsure of when and where the other "field-use" type knives could be useful while still requiring no metal detector signature. My limited experience with EOD was that I had access to non-magnetic tools for that work! I'd rather take my chances putting a real knife in my carry on/brief case than use this type item. IMHO.
 
In an old issue of TEK KNIVES Ernie is quoted as saying that he didnt feel that G-10 and other composite material knives were much good for anything other than "jabbing".

Tamishigiri,
Marringer Vorpal, that's a blast from the past! Do you have one of those? I remember a write up about them in a 1990 issue of Fighting Knives.

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Ark,
Yea, I've got two. One Tanto and one spearpoint 10". Mods. V1-A, V1-C.
Dogman turned me onto the Tanto. Is it sweet or what. He's got a Bowie that's awesome !
IMHO
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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
Tamishigiri,

Dude! Where do I find his stuff? Does he still make them? I've been thinking about that original Vorpal for the past ten years. I gotta get one!

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Usual Suspect
 
Hey Ark -

Go to the Custom Knife forum, back about 10 days to 3/21/00, and you'll see a great thread about Maringer and Vorpals, with pics, and a url to his own site. Fascinating guy and alot of interesting history over there.
 
Stay tuned Ark,
I'm sworn to say nothing yet. There will be in the very near future someone who is reviving the Vorpal Line.
He in fact is spending time w/ Tom learning Tom's method. He is/has purchased Tom's equipment and when he has the system down they will be availible again.
Don't ask more because I can't elaborate further than that. But it should do two things, 1) Bring up the price of Maringer's originals which are running between $600.00 and $800.00. 2) make availible some awesome knives to the people who appreciate his forte's. I do not know about the swords.
Otherwise be patient and ask and look.
Hope that helps Bro.

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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
Thanks for the info guys, but I still need answers. Where can I get an "invisable" sheath for this knife for under $50? I was also wondering if anyone knows where I can have my Deep Cover knife dyed, or how and what I need to dye it myself? I also have a reply as to why one would need a knife like this. My friend and I went to New York city for the weekend and we were both carrying steel fixed blades and folders, along with ASP batons and pepper spray. We decided to go see the Statue of Liberty so we got in line to buy tickets for the ferry. After about 15 minutes we were next in line when I noticed a small sign saying that we would have to go through a metal detector once on the island. Luckily I saw this sign before we got on the ferry or we would have spent the remainder of our trip in jail. The same thing with the Empire State building. The way I am, I refuse to go unarmed, so it made for a pretty crappy trip. That it is what led me to buy my Deep Cover knife. Lets face it guys,we may not want to say it, but most of us buy tactical knives as weapons, pure and simple. If someone knows the dying process for G-10 please reply!
 
Night Wolf,
I understand your dilema.
I'm not sure about "Dying" your Deep Cover Knife. I'm sure about coating it or painting it. It has been "Cured" and by that nature it's porosity is limited to absorbtion.

IMHO, You would be far better off w/ a MD Operator or FF as JBravo mentioned.

For a sheath I would contact Mike SASTRE
@ River City Sheaths 513.868.9680.
They will ask you to send your knife and make a sheath that is custom molded to your knife. I would probably use 0.60 Kydex or concealex in whatever configuration YOU prefer.
Hope that is helpful.

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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
I am no expert but I don't think that dying the G-10 is really going to take for reasons stated by Tamishigiri. Uncoated G-10 is more dense and thus less resistant to absorbtion than micarta and even that doesn't easily stain permanently. Also, I am not sure how G-10 reacts to different chemical applications. Obviously a vegetable, water based dye or stain would be the safest medium to experiment with but again your chances of acheiving anything other than a mess are slim.
As with any synthetic knife remember the limitations of such a tool. Its application is VERY specific.

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[This message has been edited by arkhamdrifter (edited 04-11-2000).]
 
Just to add my two cents on the color issue: The knife's composite is very similar to fiberglass, so your chances of dying it are very slim. If you really feel the need to change its color, 1) lightly sand the knife to roughen its surface; 2)mix up a batch of resin; 3)put fiberglass coloring in the batch; and 4)"paint" several very light coats on until the color suits you. Then reapply an edge to it. This process always worked for me on fiberglass surfboards during my misspent youth. Personally, I'd leave it the milky green unless that affects your intended use.
 
Jbravo,
Good call! I used to work as an apprentice to a boat designer and builder and I mixed lots of resin like that. Thin application is the key. I suggest practicing several times before committing to the knife. I wonder if the chemical reaction of the resin setting up would affect the G-10?
By the way, surfing is a great way to mispend youth.


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Hey Ark -

I learned right in your "backyard" - the only place in the world you can take the subway to the waves: Far Rockaway! Great surf as long as the wind was from the north...

I don't think the heat from the isothalic resin "going off" would have any effect on the knife. That thickness of g-10 is pretty impervious to most things, which is why they made a knife out of it, I guess.

Oh, to be out Montauk way on a sunny day...
 
I have a pretty extensive pile of metal detector friendly knives that I have used over the years. While they are above the $50 range, my favorites these days are the Chaos neck knives, and the Pirahna from smoking hole knives in Titanium. For me it is the only reason to carry a Ti knife. Very light, detector friendly, and they don't rust when carried in extreme enviornments, or get poor care. Otherwise, I have zero use for a Ti blade. I have also had very good success with spyderco Delicas. When I get to the detector I have cash under the clip, and I drop it cash up in the basket. It looks like a money clip, and I recover on the backside. If it does get noticed its not like I'm losing a fortune.

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Ti blades are great for salt water immersion. I used to do alot of Technical Diving and every steel blade goes to **** no matter what you do. I have seen ATS-34 form rust from one 40 minute dive. Basically before my very eyes.

I saw a guy at Florida knife shows that made awsome G-10 and Micarta pokers complete with kydex neck sheathes. He stated that the intended use was for thrusting and that it was basically disposable unless you reground the thing because they dont retain their point or edge very well. I have never had the need for this sort of invisible carry edge.
I did own a Frequent Flyer years ago. Although I like Mad Dog's steel blades I have to say that I carried the FF once and I hated that thing. Too big and too heavy. The profile was way to wide and at a 1/4" stock too thick for any realistic penetration. He really should have made thin, slim daggers out of that proprietary glass composite of his. Anyway, that's my rant.

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