Emerson, most respected knife maker?

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Not to be a troll but..... Ernie must be taking some pretty heavey medications or he has a severe case self delusional granduer. Most respected knife maker? He is a legend in his own mind. IMHO he is not worthy to shine Bob Loveless's shoes. He's many degrees below Moran. He has a lot of nerve. I know, bring on the bows and arrows. I'll be crucified for this. But most respected? He has a lot of nerve.
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I don't see any point in responding. He can do a search here to find out why we think what we do about Ernie.

Though I will say, I never knew about Loveless and Moran until well after I became interested in Ernie's knives.

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Usual Suspect
 
Yes, it does smack of arrogance to use that title. Is he wrong for using it? I don't think so. In many circles he probably is the most respected maker. I think it would be difficult to prove that he is or that he isn't the most respected maker. I have no problem with him making that claim. As a maker, he has my respect.

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I have to agree with Scott Dog because I have read a LOT of posts about the poor quality control problems with Emersons.
 
I think that everything is relative....

Ask about what we think about him on this forum and is pretty much true.

He was the one to iconize the tactical folder (in a real way) and blend that with the mystique of the spec-ops operators around the world.

I haven't heard anything like that from another maker...

Just my 2¢, your results may vary.

p.s. who else is going to pay $2200 for a double ground Viper 4... unless you respect the maker
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Granted i am no expert, but Mr Emerson has my respect. He did design the greatest knife ever: CQC6
 
Scott Dog, no "bows and arrows" here Brother.
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I've been thinking a lot about the comment on the "Outdoors" section of the Emerson Knives web site since it was brought it to our collective attention.

It's been my distinct pleasure to have met many knife makers since I got into collecting their products. There are those that I can say it was a great pleasure to have meet, and there are those that I can say have been less then impressive. But I respect their abilities none the less. One maker comes to mind in particular. He makes awesome knives. I respect his ability as a knife maker, but I wouldn't cross the street to say "Hi" to him and will not own one of his knives.

It never ceases to amaze me that with basic raw materials, a knife maker can create a thing of beauty, yet retain the qualities of the basic tool that a knife is.

Many popular makers have been brought up and touted as the "Supreme Maker" or "this one is better then that one", yadda yadda.

I take nothing away from any maker. Each has their following and perception in the publics eye and among their peers, good or bad.

As I mentioned, I have met many of the more popular, well established makers, as well as some of the "up and coming" makers. It has been my pleasure to have met Ernie and I've talked with him on several occasions. I personally have found him to be very knowledgeable, gracious and <u>humble</u>.

Loveless, Moran, Walker, Fogg, ect, ect. Their all great makers . . . I suppose. Everyone says they are. I've never owned one of their knives. I don't even know anyone personally that owns one of their knives. The impresion I have is by reputation only.

Scott, so you own a "Loveless" or a "Moran"? Or do you respect them from afar? Is your respect based on personal knowledge of thier products and quality, the market price of their knives, "word of mouth" admiration or on their innovations and accomplishments?

Ernies been building damn fine custom knives for like twenty odd years. Add on top of that the Martial Arts and Defensive training he teaches, running a fairly large, ever growing production knife company, plus raising a family.

One doesn't have to look far to see Ernies influence on the knife community. Go to the General Forums and look up the strings about what features people like on their knives. Every other post mentions "The Wave". I don't recall one post saying "Integral Guards" or "Sub hilts" or "Hand forged Damascus" . . . do you?

To see Ernies influence on the market, both production or custom look no further then Bolker copying Ernies logo or Benchmades 722 "Pardue" or Farids folders and fixed blades or Microtech's Amphibian or people cutting the top of their Spyderhole or . . . . the list goes on and on.

Do I think the comment on the web site was a little "over the top"? Yea. Ad copy is sometimes pretty whacky. Next time you see a car ad where the car in question is sliding sideways through a desert or empty parking area, think about this . . . do you really want to own a car that they advertise slides sideways?
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It's all for looks, it's all hype.

Notice that the claim that everyone has taken exception too is in the "Outdoors" section of the site. The side of the site that appears to be aimed at the "Unwashed Masses" and not the side that the members of this forum and members of other knife forums are the target audience for. Take it with a grain of salt.

Do I respect Ernie. Yea I do. Is he my "most respected knife maker" . . . . . yea, I suppose he is. Maybe if I actually got a chance to sit down and talk with Mr. Loveless and bought a $20,000 "fighter", I might change my mind.
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Until that time, Mr. Loveless has my respect just the same.

Respectfully

John

[This message has been edited by John Hollister (edited 03-19-2001).]
 
Perhaps the "most respected" comment was aimed at his target audience, which is military and LEO and wanna be's (gotta include myself on that one!). Emerson is tops in that catagory, and since he is not trying to go after other markets per say and stick with fighting-oriented knives, perhaps it would have been better to say "most respected" of this particular genre. Either way, he has brought alot of people into knives by hi sname recognition and all. Just how many people's first "nice" and "tactical" knife was a Benchmade 970? Mine was.
just a thought.
cheers,
Derek
Birmingham, AL
 
Scott Dog,
Is Ernie the most respected maker? I guess it all depends on who you ask. Some may, others may not.

I don't buy his knives because I respect him more than any other maker. I just like his knives.

BTW, Bob Loveless has not exactly been noted as humble when it comes to his own abilities. Nor has Bob Busse or Cold Steel or...Ford or Intel, etc. It's perfectly fine to promote yourself when advertising.

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John -

Just wanted to tell you that was an awesome post, man. Last night, I was surfing in the general forum, and read the original post (started by JBravo) that Scott Dog is feeding off of. Ernie's getting slammed in that thread (what else is new) for that comment. I just wish I had the same eloquence and knowledge of his history as you do, so I could post something similar THERE - I guess I want to stand up more effectively for one of my favorite makers. (God - I'm getting territorial here - must be the Suspect in me, coming out).
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Thanks for saying what I couldn't bro.

Chris

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[This message has been edited by See2 (edited 03-19-2001).]
 
John, elequent post! I had an Emerson CQC-6 on order for 5 years because of articles in Fighting Knives and American Handgunner. It wasn't until I obtained the 6 that I discovered "Tactical" folders. Ernie has been the catalyst for the Tactical industry just as Loveless was for fixed blades made by stock removal and Moran for forged blades. I think each belongs in his own category. Moran's blades are just too hard to obtain so I can't comment on the man or his work. For forged blades I go to John Smith who is an excellent smith and knife maker. I just recieved my first Loveless after 30 years of custom knife collecting, direct from Bob. I normally do not do business with resellers. It is his semi-skinner with stag handle. This is a classic Loveless design and the fit and finish are what you would expect. Doing business with Bob is about what you would expect also but not unpleasant. His designs both field and tactical set the standard for fixed blades for a couple of generations. I think Ernie may have wished to restrict his comments to the tactical folder field. Dick
 
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