Emerson PUK got here yesterday

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Arrived from Cumberland Knives. My first Emerson design under the Emerson name, having had several Benchmade CQC7 both titanium and steel.
My first impressions are that the handle is too small, if it were longer my hands would fit it better, but it appears as though the design tried to mimic a folder in size and added a guard. The handle is of slight thickness, but this does not present much of a problem after some familiarization. It feels really good in the reverse grip, but I cannot find a comfortable forward grip except for saber, with my thumb on the spine, something I do not care for as it is too easy to lose the knife under duress in this grip. I will say that the handle has a very unusual feel to it, very comfortable, or it would/ will be when my hand gets accustomed to it. The handle is of an unusual polymer that seems to give a hair and is slightly soft, but durable. Time will tell about the latter.

I also thought that the blade tip grind was a little off profile and there were machining marks on the spine of the blade. I have been spoiled I think by the MDK work but I find the machining marks a little more indicative of QC oversight. I have heard of QC issues before at Emerson, but I do not point to these marks as an indicator of any such ongoing issue. I merely stipulate that for $100 I figure the blade would be ground right and finished properly. Neither affects adversely the function of the knife, but they are not pleasant to look at, and the knife thing does have aesthetics in there somewhere.

The blade is exceptionally sharp and the point and edge destroyed the box it was mailed in without a problem. I was surprised that the blade was V ground but still retains a chisel edge, I am curious about the reason behind this chisel edge on a blade ground on both sides. I have a much easier time maintaining a standard double grind. and either one is durable with maintenance work.

The sheath is pretty neat, similar to an Eagle or Blackhawk, adjustable for various sized belts via a velcro and flap system. The sheath has a kydex insert for the blade which fits extremely well, giving positve retention while giving up the knife in a big hurry. The kydex is held into the nylon sheath via Chicago screw, and is reversible for right or left carry, forward or reverse grip, a nice touch. The handle is further retained via nylon loop and snap-dot, again well executed. Retention may not be jumpable, but as I am not a paratrooper i do not care.

The sheath also hase a good sized pouch o the front for storing DMT hone, or SAK, or maybe even a multi-tool or flashlight should you find one to fit in there. I would even think a small first aid kit or "necessary" kit would fit in there, giving it the role of one stop shop for an emergency kit when bailing out of the car on a bad night in adverse weather. You could fit a couple snickers in there too...

Overall, I want to give the grip a chance. It has possibility, and the blade grind errors cannot be compared to a handmade perfection job like my MDK, but i also have to state Buck Knives never let an error like these get to me. I will post back here in a week or two with more. Anyone else have one of these?
 
can I get an amen here, or a response of any knid? Does anyone out here have an emerson PUK or any response to this?
 
I don't have much of a reaction other than to agree with you that for "utility" work I prefer a symetrical double grind over a chisel or Emerson v grind. I don't have a PUK but do have other Emerson knives. Cheers! -Alan
 
Hallehlujah, Brother Marion, all praise to the high and mighty god of tactical thought, the great Hannibal, who understood if you brought an elephant where they had none, you would stomp them out of sheer fright!

It is growing on me, the sheath will maybe have to go as a practical matter, as it seems more in tune with a bigger blade/handle. Maybe IWB strong side groin/ hip carry, ala Sigman, Skunkworks or Polkowski/ Kaspar (the real deal, no the CRKT sheath).

Still in all, I despise chisel grinds, maybe I can grind the SOB off with the lansky and resharp it proper. A proper edge and easy to carry sheath may yet make me enjoy it, until I see the crappy grind lines on the blade (they irked me again today)

I really do not want to rag on this knife, it is a fine idea. The execution could have been better thought out, and if the knife were maybe tested under duress the grip would not be so weird in the first place.

To improve it, first, add a choil, a nice long flat choil for choking up ala MDK or Busse.

Second, the handle must and I mean MUST have a thicker profile. It is to skinny in the hand. or the finger groove must not be so sever. Let's go with the second one there. The finger groove is too deep and makes the amount of handle available for purchase with the first finger way small. Try this at home: grab your index finger like a knife handle, hard with the opposite index finger, and relax the rest of the grasping hand slightly. This is how the PUK handle feels to me. The handle is providing a hell of an integral guard and I understand this, but it puts the rest of the hand ergonmically out of sync.

Third, if this is really to be a last ditch tool or weapon for lEO with a gun and a bigger gun or two in the cruiser, lose the Lanyard hole. Minor, but what funtcion does it serve? As a survival tool, sure, I guess, but in the guise of police tool? I assume that all the LEO I know would prefer a pistol to a spear any day.

Fourth, get rid of the thumb ramp with serrations, they inspire a very weak and easy to lose saber grip. Make the handle rounder and fatter with a tapering profile (Ernie, talk to your buddy Kevin Mad Dog about this) and the nasty serration will not be needed. Instead, and integral and soft duress-comfortable handle will inspire confidence in the knife as a tool and weapon. see the Mad Dog Mini Shrike or Rat series for example of this thumb rest integrated comfortably into the handle.

Fifth, lose the chisel and make it a real grind. More time, yes, but easier to maintain and cuts straight.

Sixth, for $149 or whatever retail is on this, a higher degree of attention to sloppy grinding is imperative. I have owned a CRKT Polkowski I bought for 1/3 the price, grinds were flawless. Fit was excellent, point was perfect. Them Taiwan boys got it right, show them good American craftsmanship here. There is a reason peoplebuy custom and it is for fit and finish, but the fit and finish must be there at any level.

All in all, I am growing used to it, the problems as I said do not affect performance of the knife in a controlled environment, but in a high stress situation, lack of choil could cost a nasty cut to your finger or worse. The grip may not index properly under a gun grab. The saber grip inspired by the thumb ramp may cost you your weapon. Fix these problems please. I would spring for the next iteration of this knife with these matters addresed and I do like the basic idea, design and blade shape. Some small improvements will make all the difference. I like this knife. I wish it were better is all. Emerson Knives, I am directing these ideas to you, I hope you take them to heart. I was a fan back in the days of the Vindicator and Phaser...pre-Timberline/ Nealy.

Parker


Parker
 
Parker -- I've read a lot of reviews of knives with far fewer things wrong with them that were basically detested by the disappointed owner. You apparently have a high tolerance for crap. I'm a much more demanding customer, I fear.

I can't help but think that for the same, or less money, you could have bought a # of knives that other forumites have been exceedingly happy with.

I really think that you should send the knife to EK, and get the blade ground properly. Tolerating such inappropriate QC problems only results in more being made that way, or even an overall laxness in QC.
 
Bugs, you may be right on this one here. I have come around to actually quite liking the handling characteristics after a week of playing with it, maybe two hours total handling time, but then I catch a look at the back of the blade and the "zipper effect" pisses me off again. Maybe I can call it stipling like a firearm sight-track to disperse reflection and be happy about it, whatcha think?
 
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