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Emerson & the Military
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The following is a page from the '94 Emerson Specwar Knives Catalog that is posted in the Gallery.
It seems to say that he never served in the Armed Forces, but he has a lot of contacts from the Rogue Warrior books. Is that the SpecWar connection? Just strikes me as sorta wannabe to play up the military side when you never actually were one, instead of picking MA type connections since he is a (self-proclaimed) MA expert.
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LOL Where the hell did that come from.
Easy there thelu.
There is a lot more to the connection than a book mention. There has been a great deal of design input from the military as well as martial artists and law enforcement.
If you look back, the earlier knives were the Viper's and CQC's. It was not until some time later that the SpecWar was born.
With the exception of the SOCFK, which was designed with the input of east coast SOCOM guys (Navy, Army, and Marine)I am not really sure what other knives you would be referring to. Commmander? Raven? La Griffe?
Maybe I am reading too much into your post but you seem rather hostile and that you have an axe to grind. I hope that this clears things up a bit.
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There is a lot more to the connection than a book mention. There has been a great deal of design input from the military as well as martial artists and law enforcement.
If you look back, the earlier knives were the Viper's and CQC's. It was not until some time later that the SpecWar was born.
With the exception of the SOCFK, which was designed with the input of east coast SOCOM guys (Navy, Army, and Marine)I am not really sure what other knives you would be referring to. Commmander? Raven? La Griffe?
Maybe I am reading too much into your post but you seem rather hostile and that you have an axe to grind. I hope that this clears things up a bit.
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I think this arguement is moot. Mr. Emerson is first and foremost a maker of knives. His designs have benefited from input from members of the armed forces and he has supplied knives to the armed forces. Accusing him of being a "wannabe" is uncalled for. He has studied martial arts extensively with Dan Inosanto. My father is an engineer that worked on the F-18 Hornet and B-2 stealth Bomber projects. Does that make him a wannabe airforce pilot?
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Thelu,
The world improves when you work on yourself improving.
I find your comments judgemental and unwarrented.
Ernie has always contributed and kept an open mind in his philosophy's w/ regards to the Arts and Cutlery Industry in general.
Because of this man's contributions singularily, he has elevated the standards and made several significant contributions.
Others have recognized this and seeked his expertise and solutions.
I think this cutlery Ind. in general is in a BETTER place.
He has revolutionized the Tactical Arena ( pun intened) w/ cutting edge shapes and designs that are dynamic and specific.
Regardless of his or anyone else's contacts or associations are irrelevant to the big picture.
Seek to improve yourself, A true Warrior realizes this. If you REALLY
were involved w/ the Military or those in it you might leqarn how frustrating it can be at times and is not perfectred either.IMHO
Just my .02
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"Though a man should conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle,
He who conquers himself is the greatest warrior."
"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
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The world improves when you work on yourself improving.
I find your comments judgemental and unwarrented.
Ernie has always contributed and kept an open mind in his philosophy's w/ regards to the Arts and Cutlery Industry in general.
Because of this man's contributions singularily, he has elevated the standards and made several significant contributions.
Others have recognized this and seeked his expertise and solutions.
I think this cutlery Ind. in general is in a BETTER place.
He has revolutionized the Tactical Arena ( pun intened) w/ cutting edge shapes and designs that are dynamic and specific.
Regardless of his or anyone else's contacts or associations are irrelevant to the big picture.
Seek to improve yourself, A true Warrior realizes this. If you REALLY
were involved w/ the Military or those in it you might leqarn how frustrating it can be at times and is not perfectred either.IMHO
Just my .02
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"Though a man should conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle,
He who conquers himself is the greatest warrior."
"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
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Whoa guys. You're definitely reading more into this then I intended! My point was first a question about his background as a coureosity thing. Then I was expressing in maybe a wrong way, that he is a MA guy, why the emphasis on military. My favorite author is Tom Clancy who writes all about the military, but he never served. too. I now stand more informed and enlightened about Mr Emerson and his background. No critiscm about him or his very good knives intended.
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My first thought was that Ernie doesn't need defending, especially to the folks on this forum. I came back to make a few comments but see that others have beat me to it.
I'm not so sure. Not to keep fanning the flames, but you made some very serious allegations on his character and intentions.
If anything, I have found Ernie to be a very humble and straight forward individual. Please re-read the page above.
He never even hints at being in the military. US and Foreign Military and Police were a major portion of his customer base when his company evolved from "Viper Knives" into "Specwar Knives". No he never claimed to be a snake either.
He does not claim to be a Martial Arts "Expert". He does say he is a practicing martial artist and Instructor. He still is. Link
Before you begin slinging mud, please do your homework.
John
I'm not so sure. Not to keep fanning the flames, but you made some very serious allegations on his character and intentions.
If anything, I have found Ernie to be a very humble and straight forward individual. Please re-read the page above.
He never even hints at being in the military. US and Foreign Military and Police were a major portion of his customer base when his company evolved from "Viper Knives" into "Specwar Knives". No he never claimed to be a snake either.
He does not claim to be a Martial Arts "Expert". He does say he is a practicing martial artist and Instructor. He still is. Link
Before you begin slinging mud, please do your homework.
John
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Thelu,
W/O getting into an extremely long and protracted explanation of Martial Arts and the Military connection or relevance.
Let me sum it up as concisely and simplistically as I can.
Martial comes from theroot word MARS (gr. God of War) Now it's pretty easy to see where the tie-in comes in w. Military and War
right. So, it is a completly natural and logical progression for Military people and viceaversa for Martial Artists w/ Military to work in unity or concert w/ each other.
Both deal w/ the Ultimate Challenge and sacrifice. To engage in the conscious pursuit of taking one's life for the possibility of sacrificing your own.
The Operators I know and have trained w/ are Men of extreme pride, ignity, ntegrity and honor etc. et al. They seek self perfection as Warriors who are willng to pay the ultimate price. Not so hard to see the tie in is it now ?
I have sparred w/Ernie and would TRUST him w/
my back any day of the year.
As a suggestion, research might be a good idea in the future before jumping the Gun so to speak. IMHO
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"Though a man should conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle,
He who conquers himself is the greatest warrior."
"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
W/O getting into an extremely long and protracted explanation of Martial Arts and the Military connection or relevance.
Let me sum it up as concisely and simplistically as I can.
Martial comes from theroot word MARS (gr. God of War) Now it's pretty easy to see where the tie-in comes in w. Military and War
right. So, it is a completly natural and logical progression for Military people and viceaversa for Martial Artists w/ Military to work in unity or concert w/ each other.
Both deal w/ the Ultimate Challenge and sacrifice. To engage in the conscious pursuit of taking one's life for the possibility of sacrificing your own.
The Operators I know and have trained w/ are Men of extreme pride, ignity, ntegrity and honor etc. et al. They seek self perfection as Warriors who are willng to pay the ultimate price. Not so hard to see the tie in is it now ?
I have sparred w/Ernie and would TRUST him w/
my back any day of the year.
As a suggestion, research might be a good idea in the future before jumping the Gun so to speak. IMHO
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"Though a man should conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle,
He who conquers himself is the greatest warrior."
"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
DrRMJ: Not unless he wears a flight suit and helmet when driving to work.
Anyways... I must say, as an "outside" observer that a couple of you seem to reply in a manner just a little bit too close to the way some fans of a certain canine do, when their favourite knife maker seems to maybe have his authenticity called in to question. Where's your hospitality, grace and charm? Wouldn't Ernest himself have answered in a more seeming fashion?
Perhaps a better answer (I'm not entirely sure since I only have that article to go on, but I'm sure you'll get the drift as to the tone of answer which I'm sure Mr Emmerson himself would have employed) to the question would be that yes, Mr Emmerson was never in the military but is an accomplished martial artist and instructor.
It's not quite a matter of playing up the SPECWAR side, but many of the knives were designed with input from operators of various military and quasi-military groups, who practice martial arts, with close quarter combat in mind. As a result, he could have gone either way with the name. And besides, not all the names harped on the SPECWAR aura. However, it must be noted that weapons with reasonable SPECWAR association (not excessive hype as in "this is the issue weapon or weapon of choice of SPECWAR operators") seem to sell better. So the tendency would be to opt for names which reflect this facet of the design rather than some other less marketable facet. (e.g. "I call this the MRE-7 because the guy who helped me design this uses it to open his MRE packs more than he uses it to gut his enemy."
So guys, let's all relax a little and show some of the charm, friendliness and grace (very especially the grace part) that has come to make this little forum/community the best place to hang out.
Y'all have a good day now, y'hear?
SteelWolf, extremely well stated.
MRE-7. I am still laughing, especially since I opened all mine with a MicroTech Halo.
I concur there is no need to lambast the poor guy. Like we all haven't said something that has been misunderstood.
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MRE-7. I am still laughing, especially since I opened all mine with a MicroTech Halo.
I concur there is no need to lambast the poor guy. Like we all haven't said something that has been misunderstood.
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and much death, for they sway the
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From thelu...
"My favorite author is Tom Clancy who writes all about the military, but he never served. too. "
[Please take this as info, not criticism...]
I have seen a SEAL reunion brochure which states that Tom Clancy is a former SEAL and instructor of SEAL's. Back then, he went by his original first name. Can't swear to this, of course, but I even saw the SEAL course syllabus from the early seventies with Clancy's name on it.
[I am not martial. My friend served in Vietnam, and showed me these materials.]
"My favorite author is Tom Clancy who writes all about the military, but he never served. too. "
[Please take this as info, not criticism...]
I have seen a SEAL reunion brochure which states that Tom Clancy is a former SEAL and instructor of SEAL's. Back then, he went by his original first name. Can't swear to this, of course, but I even saw the SEAL course syllabus from the early seventies with Clancy's name on it.
[I am not martial. My friend served in Vietnam, and showed me these materials.]