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I'm curious about these videos demonstrating the toughness of the Griptilian. I've noticed it seems they are always using the standard grip with thumb studs and I'm assuming 154CM steel.
What makes this knife so tough? Is it the blade shape? The particular design combination just works? Or what.
I'm just wondering for example, would a Grip with the thumb hole and the sheepsfoot blade in say S30v perform the same? Do thumb holes make a weaker blade? Does the 154CM take abuse better than S30v? Is this design less strong than the standard Grip with the thumb studs?
Would other models handle the abuse as well? Say a Barrage or Presidio?
Should I not be buying Grips with thumb holes and get the thumb stud models? My personal preference is towards thumb holes. Perhaps due to my carrying a Spyderco for such a long time. Still do on occasion I will confess but not too often since developing my Benchmade illness.
Just some things I've wondered about since I viewed the first of these type of videos. I will acknowledge that I was impressed he was able to shave paper after pounding the heck out if that blade through that wood like that.
Joe
What makes this knife so tough? Is it the blade shape? The particular design combination just works? Or what.
I'm just wondering for example, would a Grip with the thumb hole and the sheepsfoot blade in say S30v perform the same? Do thumb holes make a weaker blade? Does the 154CM take abuse better than S30v? Is this design less strong than the standard Grip with the thumb studs?
Would other models handle the abuse as well? Say a Barrage or Presidio?
Should I not be buying Grips with thumb holes and get the thumb stud models? My personal preference is towards thumb holes. Perhaps due to my carrying a Spyderco for such a long time. Still do on occasion I will confess but not too often since developing my Benchmade illness.
Just some things I've wondered about since I viewed the first of these type of videos. I will acknowledge that I was impressed he was able to shave paper after pounding the heck out if that blade through that wood like that.
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I wanted to comment on the question of the steel. 154 vs S30V and the hole.
From my personal experience, and I stress I speak only for myself, my observations and experience is Benchmade's 154CM is a tougher steel maybe but S30V takes and holds a keener edge a sightly longer amount of time. We really are splitting the finest of hairs here.
As I've tried to see the difference I have to wonder if I didn't know which was which before hand if I would really be able to tell the difference? I honestly don't think I could. Their both excellent premium steels and I have a high regard for both.
I remember the issue of the hole in the blade and if it weakened the blade overall when it's come up concerning the AFCK 's and also with Spyderco knives. I believe the general consensus is no, the hole does not significantly weaken the blade overall if at all, or enough that use, at least that an individual would subject the blade too, enough to matter.
Perhaps during destruction testing it might but that's subjecting the blade to stresses and forces that it would never see during individual or normal use.
I'm curious to see what others thoughts, experiences, recollections, and opinions on the subject are.
I don't own a Grip but I think it's overall strength comes from the fact they use premium steels, an excellent, very strong and reliable lock (Axis) and it's reinforced with steel liners. Coupled with blades of decent thickness and utilitarian designs giving you a very sound, strong package overall at an affordable price due to the handle material.
From my personal experience, and I stress I speak only for myself, my observations and experience is Benchmade's 154CM is a tougher steel maybe but S30V takes and holds a keener edge a sightly longer amount of time. We really are splitting the finest of hairs here.
As I've tried to see the difference I have to wonder if I didn't know which was which before hand if I would really be able to tell the difference? I honestly don't think I could. Their both excellent premium steels and I have a high regard for both.
I remember the issue of the hole in the blade and if it weakened the blade overall when it's come up concerning the AFCK 's and also with Spyderco knives. I believe the general consensus is no, the hole does not significantly weaken the blade overall if at all, or enough that use, at least that an individual would subject the blade too, enough to matter.
Perhaps during destruction testing it might but that's subjecting the blade to stresses and forces that it would never see during individual or normal use.
I'm curious to see what others thoughts, experiences, recollections, and opinions on the subject are.
I don't own a Grip but I think it's overall strength comes from the fact they use premium steels, an excellent, very strong and reliable lock (Axis) and it's reinforced with steel liners. Coupled with blades of decent thickness and utilitarian designs giving you a very sound, strong package overall at an affordable price due to the handle material.
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@Joe58 - bear in mind, it's simply not only the tool that has the ability to be tough, thumb studs or opening holes, make no difference really. A person with a high skill level can make almost any knife work for any situation. What does this mean? If someone has enough experience and skill behind them, they can do just about anything with a single knife, from felling a large diameter tree, to processing some firewood, or making kindling. This is one of the biggest aspects that gets overlooked time and time again. We always talk about high carbide steel, heat treat, edge retention, toughness, etc. ad nauseum; no one hardly ever discusses the skill that it takes to use such a tool for things aside from opening mail, cutting a random string, or the over rated cardboard box. 
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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Pbcg - I think you're spot on there. I hadn't considered the skill level of the person performing the test. Interesting.
I would like to see a similar test where knives are compared in exactly the same test. Say with the Benchmade, Spyderco, and an Emerson. I realize they aren't designed the same, etc. but they are three of the top sellers that people buy for their durability.
Joe
I would like to see a similar test where knives are compared in exactly the same test. Say with the Benchmade, Spyderco, and an Emerson. I realize they aren't designed the same, etc. but they are three of the top sellers that people buy for their durability.
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My concern with the 550/555 is the hollow ground blade, not so much the steel. When batoning into wood as done in the video, the hollow ground could bind more or have more propensity to break since there isn't as much metal behind the edge.
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Benchmade has been posting cutting and destruction videos. I just watched the 2550 video today, because I own that knife. I was impressed how well the button lock held up.
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this thread is a few weeks old but I wanted to say that I must have watched virtuovice's grip videos dozens of times. I just find it amazing how he sharpens his grips and how they remain sharp after all he puts them through. I shared this video with a friend who lives in Germany and he ordered a grip immediately after watching the video. there have been quite a few grip threads lately so I thought this one deserved a bump for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.