Enthusiasm rekindled

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This is certainly preaching to the choir here, but I have come full circle back to interest in the traditional patterns. I had been losing some enthusiasm on knife forums in general until I began to pay more attention to this traditional forum.

Why is it that I feel that spark when I pick up an old slipjoint pattern? Is it because it reminds me when I first came into knives over 30 years ago? I can still feel the excitement of buying my first knife at 13 (A large Schrade carbon-steel stockman). And then buying my first Buck knife, a cadet, a year later.

True, I love my Sebbie. I like many modern one-hand designs. What I began to lose interest in was the idea that unless you have the latest-greatest in super-steels, you are carrying substandard POS cutlery. Which would mean that my grandfather, who ran a large farm, and my father and uncles who grew up on that farm working and using their knives hard, got by just fine with "substandard" steel knives. Well, if so, they were able to do some pretty impressive things with lesser blades. They lived and worked that farm until WWII forced them into one of the relocation camps for Japanese-Americans; this one was in Arizona.

Most of the old folders I got from my father were carbon steel Camillus knives. He really did not collect knives other than to use as working tools.
None of his knives were top-notch steel, though they were good for the time. His only "modern" knife was a convex-ground Buck 110.

I got caught up in the latest tactical features craze, but soon found that even among the modern designs, I tend toward the more simple and utilitatian ones. My father never really understood why I liked collecting different knives the way I did; but even in his later days when his thick callused fingers probably could no longer open it, he always had some type of small slipjoint folder in his pocket.

Not an unusual story. I guess this rambling thread is meant to say, is that he and many others worked hard and used his knives, often hard, on a day-to-day basis, throughout his life. He never heard of ZDP189, CPM steels or the like. This in turn rekindled my fascination with the older styles. Now, while I admit to preferring stainless blades for my own use, I am once again in love with the traditionals. How so many things great and small were accomplished with pocketknife styles that still exist more or less unchanged, to this day. I've even found that a lot of the cutting chores I do (probably most) are better handled with my Case stockman, canoe, mini-trapper, or SAK Executive, than by a lot of the tactical folders, and with more ease.
Jim
 
James, you are among kindred souls.

While I've always had a special place for slipjoints and traditional knives, I had moved into tactical and high tech knives during my twenty some odd years in law enforcement including SRT work.

Now that I've left that behind and gotten back to a lifestyle I prefer, I've reestablished my kinship with traditional knives, both of the slipjoint and fixed blade varieties.

While I still have many of the others in my possession, I don't think I'll ever go back.
 
I've been a traditional/folksy type for some time now. I tried "going back" the other way recently, researched and bought a couple of one-handed openers due to a need I had, and was again astounded by the prices being asked for single blade, plastic handled knives with virtually zero character. And guess what? The first time my VG-10 super steel blade came up against a piece of metal, I chipped my blade. A small chip, but a chip nonetheless. I've since learned that VG-10 is known to be brittle, but I was surprised.

Yep, the classic knives definitely have class. And our fathers knew something about steel, and using the best tool for the job. Just because something is new doesn't make it better.

-- Sam
 
Very nice thread Jim. You certainly make some good points and many of us here in the folksy forum can relate to the evolution of interests that has been a part of the knife loving experience.

I like pointy sharp steel in many different permutations. :)
 
Jim,

I used to carry the latest, greatest new super tactacool and I noticed that when someone showed another to me I shrugged it off cause they all looked the same. The owner of the tactacool never really had any history with the knife or bonded with it.

I noticed that if you showed me a slippy, no matter the make, model or style I would usually get a story or history lesson on it and you could tell the owner was bonded with that knife. I guess that is why I carry slippies now, my tactacools are slowly being sold or given away.

We come here for the knives, we stay for the people and the stories.
 
My tastes have changed also. Any sort of knife with synthetic handles or coated blade has been purged from my collection. Most modern knives lack any sort of character. I don't care what kind of tacti-crap features a knife has I'd rather have jigged bone, wood and horn on my knives.

I still have a couple less traditional knives but the ratio is about 10 to 1 in favor of the old school.
 
I find that I'm not excited by the latest and greatest designs as far as tactical goes. I like that fact my Case's handles are bone, and that the blade has become stained with use. The fact it doesn't use the latest and greatest super steel doesn't bother me, because I've never seen enough of a difference when I use those steels to warrant the price. It's gotten to the point that I don't really put it down when I'm home, constantly fiddling with it when I'm on here, or watching television. I don't get that urge with the tacticals anymore.
 
I find that I'm not excited by the latest and greatest designs as far as tactical goes. I like that fact my Case's handles are bone, and that the blade has become stained with use. The fact it doesn't use the latest and greatest super steel doesn't bother me, because I've never seen enough of a difference when I use those steels to warrant the price. It's gotten to the point that I don't really put it down when I'm home, constantly fiddling with it when I'm on here, or watching television. I don't get that urge with the tacticals anymore.

I thought that I was the only one who did that. I find myself consantly sliding my hand in my pocket sometimes using the knife like a worry stone. When I'm sitting home watching the TV, it's not unusual to have my pocket knife in hand just fiddling with it, or giving it a light stropping.
 
Its all been said here already..

I just wanted to say Welcome home, Jim.. You're among friends.:)
 
I also enjoyed reading the OP.

When I'm outside, I do carry a fully serrated Endura and a Benchmade 530.

But in the house, on my desk and the coffee table, there are slipjoints.
Beautiful, full of history, natural materials that feel right, and loads of character.
On any multibladed slippie, each time you open a different blade it's like you have a
different knife in your hand.
 
Traditional knives are like comfort food. I appreciate a wide range but seem to enjoy coming back to the ones that I watched my grandfather use.
 
I worked for many years around warehouses where there was a lot of custom packing and shipping going on, and to me that type of work and roughnecking on an offshore oil rig are the two places I've been that one hand opening knives with good stainless really can shine.

In a warehouse because if you are out there in shipping, you are cutting something 100+ times a day, and a slippy is just cumbersome for that.

Offshore, because you always wear gloves, and the job is so nasty and hellish on tools that I have seen a 60" pipe wrench destroyed. And there are many folks who can't even pick up a 60" pipe wrench. So a 4" one hand folder with quality stainless can do a lot of work there where a slippy would slow you down, and probably would be corroded beyond belief by the end of one shift.

So it's my feeling that the one hand openers do have a place, and that they serve well as the knife lover's replacement for a stanley utility knife. But it's hard to get sentimental about a utility knife, and that's why there is always a slippy in my pocket. These days when I go somewhere where I know I will be working with tools a lot, and around other people, I generally carry the spyderco too, since many folks want to borrow one, and those are hard to tear up.
 
Welcome to were beauty and function meet.


There is nothing like watching a Carbon steel blade age while you fondle it on a daily basis. I do the same...I find myself "playing" (as my wife calls it) with my stockman and sodbuster on a many times a day basis.
 
I've even found that a lot of the cutting chores I do (probably most) are better handled with my Case stockman, canoe, mini-trapper, or SAK Executive, than by a lot of the tactical folders, and with more ease.

I agree. You're absolutely right.
 
When I started building folders three years ago I made liner locks only. I loved the mini screws, a new style of knife(to me) and all the jewels, carving, odd looking designs, etc. Then...I got sick of it..sick of all the screws, screws that loosened, a knife that looked like a mechanical engineer had to design, a bracelet that my daughter might wear. I now make slips only and have for a couple years. Won't go back. I actually find the slip to be a harder knife to perfect...that is..if I ever do. I have attempted Bose look alikes...uhhh..not possible yet. I am getting close to a very nice knife once in a while but it certainly is a learning process..or perhaps more accurately, a practicing process. To grind a perfect grind, a perfect swedge, a smooth opening while a spring is applying quite a bit of pressure is all part of the learning process. I like it very much.
 
Great replies, everyone! :)

I, too, often take out one of my bone-handled knives, usually a Case stockman, mini-trapper, canoe, or occasionally the peanut; and move my thumbs around the various ridges and recesses on the jigged handles. Before reading on this forum, I honestly thought I was the only one who did that.

I do still carry my large regular Sebenza, usually daily, but am not using it as much as I used to, though it's always there and very handy when needed. I love it, and it *may* eventually be pushed out of its clipped position in favor of a small classic Sebenza whenever I can get one, as I'm finding for my daily needs, about a 3" blade seems pretty much all I need on a one-hander.

But I really do use the slippies for most of my cutting now. And I do agree about the bonding with the traditionals. I love all types of knives, but the hi-tech tacticals impart an impersonal feeling to me. In fact, the only one-hander I feel bonded with is my Seb, which is odd, because many feel it's too plain and bland-looking. But IMO while it's different altogether from the slippies, there is a certain character there, perhaps due to its simplicity/quality combined with the fact I've had it over 5 years now.

My traditional knives, even some that were rarely used, all seem to have a "personality". Also adding to that is the fact that the bone handles are all unique; no two are exactly alike. It's almost like these pocketknives absorb and show off more of the user's unique personality and experiences much more than the vast majority of tacticals. Plus...most modern tacticals which feature all of the latest bells and whistles and fancy design tend to disappear within a couple-three years. Using a traditional pattern means you're using a design that has withstood the test of time, most dating back to the 19th century at least.

BTW: I've been reading the book, The Case Cutlery Dynasty, Tested XX by Brad Lockwood, a Case descendent. Very interesting reading on the history of the knife industry in America. I was surprised, though, that the author admits that he himself doesn't carry a pocketknife (or at least not every day).
Jim
 
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