Entrek Ranger Vs Cold Steel OSS comparison

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Just finished 'er up.
RangerSoCo1.jpg

You're thinking. "Hey, that guard isn't milled right!" and I concur, but the blade has the profile and weighs more than a pound.
Look at the lines, it rides tight to the body and much more comfortable than the rubber handles, which are irritating to the flesh.
RangerSoCo2.jpg

Entrek USA est 1996 This model is named Ranger, a double edged bowie knife with Persian influence. Hollow ground from 1/4" 440C stainless stock and hardened from 57-58 Rc, the knife has very fierce handling and point control, but the edges are ground so thick it really does affect cutting performance.
Next to a Cold Steel OSS for reference.
RangerOSSPortrait.jpg

You can really tell from this angle the extra weight of the Ranger over a knife like the Cold Steel O.S.S. The tang is full thickness and visible all the way round the grip.
RangerOSS.jpg

And another angle to show the bulk of the Entrek.
RangerOSS-1.jpg

A Demo between OSS and Ranger to show just how oversize the geometry is on the Ranger. I penetrated this corrugated board with depth of puncture marked on the board at 1cm of blade, which is just the point, then 1" of blade from the tip, and then full thrust into 5" penetration.
OSSRangerCrossSec.jpg

You can see here just how drastic the difference in grind and stock thickness the two blades are.
I did attempt to show another cutting demonstration, but to be quite honest, the Entrek had factory edge angles so thick (30 degrees + per side 60 inclusive) I could not hone it well enough to shave paper strips, though I noticed it will still chop fairly well. The O.S.S. is quite sharp.

Just wanted to share these photos with you guys. I like each knife very well and never hear anything about Entrek but this knife seems very well thought out and concieved, just poorly sharpened for my taste.

Opinions?
 
Oh, it is really bad news that entrek has thick edges. I like knives with thick stock, but grinds should be "cut" that edge can slash well.
 
Unfortunately, it is bad news that seems to come along with many production fixed knives. The good news is the grinds are nice, and the edge can be sharpened. Hopefully I can tackle this one.

The sheath would be biggest let down of this blade for most guys. A storage unit more than a sheath really. The new models are tensioned by a divot in the bolster, but this model has a snap and grommet installed in the handle scales. Ingenious, but a waste as the sheath is pathetic.

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shitsheath2.jpg


With just a couple upgrades( think Secure-Ex or Spec Ops sheath) these blades could be really exceptional stainless blades and it is hard to believe I have heard so little of them.
 
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"Unfortunately, it is bad news that seems to come along with many production fixed knives. The good news is the grinds are nice, and the edge can be sharpened. Hopefully I can tackle this one".
Most hard use/tactical knives have thick edges for durability. If they were 10 degrees per side they would roll or chip to easily.
 
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That may be, but I think I will be going more for 18-20 degrees per side as soon as possible to increase cutting performance.

Even with the edge as is the blade is great, I have been handling this knife all week and really enjoy the balance and handle ergos. Really suprised there is no more info about this model. I would recommend this knife to anyone looking for a tough as nails combat knife. There is a 7.5" model named Force Recon that shares the same design.
 
Just finished 'er up.
RangerSoCo1.jpg

You're thinking. "Hey, that guard isn't milled right!" and I concur, but the blade has the profile and weighs more than a pound.
Look at the lines, it rides tight to the body and much more comfortable than the rubber handles, which are irritating to the flesh.
RangerSoCo2.jpg

Entrek USA est 1996 This model is named Ranger, a double edged bowie knife with Persian influence. Hollow ground from 1/4" 440C stainless stock and hardened from 57-58 Rc, the knife has very fierce handling and point control, but the edges are ground so thick it really does affect cutting performance.
Next to a Cold Steel OSS for reference.
RangerOSSPortrait.jpg

You can really tell from this angle the extra weight of the Ranger over a knife like the Cold Steel O.S.S. The tang is full thickness and visible all the way round the grip.
RangerOSS.jpg

And another angle to show the bulk of the Entrek.
RangerOSS-1.jpg

A Demo between OSS and Ranger to show just how oversize the geometry is on the Ranger. I penetrated this corrugated board with depth of puncture marked on the board at 1cm of blade, which is just the point, then 1" of blade from the tip, and then full thrust into 5" penetration.
OSSRangerCrossSec.jpg

You can see here just how drastic the difference in grind and stock thickness the two blades are.
I did attempt to show another cutting demonstration, but to be quite honest, the Entrek had factory edge angles so thick (30 degrees + per side 60 inclusive) I could not hone it well enough to shave paper strips, though I noticed it will still chop fairly well. The O.S.S. is quite sharp.

Just wanted to share these photos with you guys. I like each knife very well and never hear anything about Entrek but this knife seems very well thought out and concieved, just poorly sharpened for my taste.

Opinions?

who mad the sc sheath?

it does not look like a mike sheath he puts his drip hole on the side showing......
 
That may be, but I think I will be going more for 18-20 degrees per side as soon as possible to increase cutting performance.

Even with the edge as is the blade is great, I have been handling this knife all week and really enjoy the balance and handle ergos. Really suprised there is no more info about this model. I would recommend this knife to anyone looking for a tough as nails combat knife. There is a 7.5" model named Force Recon that shares the same design.

Glad you like it. All of Ray's knives are top notch. I have the pleasure and fortune of working with him one day a week. It's a real honor. He's a hands on guy and does all the work himself. Watching him hand grind a knife is amazing!
 
who mad the sc sheath?

it does not look like a mike sheath he puts his drip hole on the side showing......

Yes, not hard to tell my homemade creation from the work done on atRiver City Sheaths but I'm satisfied with how this one turned out.

I have a ton of respect for Mike, his designs and DIY teachings. I have added a weep hole in the sheath since the photo.

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Glad you like it. All of Ray's knives are top notch. I have the pleasure and fortune of working with him one day a week. It's a real honor. He's a hands on guy and does all the work himself. Watching him hand grind a knife is amazing!

Does Ray Ennis performs all of the hand work on these knives his own self?

The lines are quite nice.
 
Yes, not hard to tell my homemade creation from the work done on atRiver City Sheaths but I'm satisfied with how this one turned out.

I have a ton of respect for Mike, his designs and DIY teachings. I have added a weep hole in the sheath since the photo.



Does Ray Ennis performs all of the hand work on these knives his own self?

The lines are quite nice.
All by hand. He uses a real simple jig to do the final sharpening, then a paper wheel to remove the wire edge. All the lines,handles and everything else is done by hand and the masters touch. I help with the not so critical stuff.
 
So could you tell me what date this knife was possibly made? His new has sheath retention and fire bow divot on the guard.
 
Entrek does not add models very often (although a few did just jump into the line in the last few months) and uses what many consider to be an "outdated" steel...the fact that the knives perform superbly is beside the point to many people. ;) Nonetheless, those are the reasons his knives don't get much play on these boards. At 18 degrees per side or even 16 you should be good to go for any kind of normal to hard (not abusive) use in a big blade like this. 440C--even though Ray does an outstanding job with the HT--is not especially ductile so I'd avoid going much thinner on one of these big guys as it'll chip versus roll and won't support a 25 degree (included) edge under impact as well as, say 52100, 5160, etc. However, one of the smaller knives can be turned into a nice slicer and dicer at that kind of geometry----I've had my Entrek Cobra for years at about 12 degrees per side and it's as sweet a little hunting knife as you could hope for. :)
 
I bought an Entrek Ranger in 2005 and took it with me to Idaho and Montana on a ten week trip hiking and camping high up in the Rockies. It served me exceptionally well.I did make a custom leather sheath for it before I left. I have been collecting large knives since I was issued my first KaBar in 1977. I own knives from TOPS, Ontario, Cold Steel,
KaBar and others. But the Entrek Ranger always. goes with me into the bush. I have a Western W10 Bowie that I got in 1987 in my pack as a backup (also a great knife), but have never had to use it. Also carry a Cold Steel Bushman in case one of my trail mates breaks or loses their blade.

My ultralight backpacking friends say I'm crazy for carrying such heavy knives. But when I'm 60 miles deep in the wilderness, I'm not trusting my life on a lightweight blade.
 
Just as a point of information, Ray does work in steels other then 440C from time to time. Here are a few pictures of my new Entrek 11 Bravo CPM 154 CM. It's from a limited number that Ray made for the folks at DLT Trading Co.













 
I never thought these knives were all that similar but now I see the Ranger as a beefier oss.
 
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