Equipment and Work Spaces

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What kind of heat treating equipment is used professionally? I know about using weed torches and fire brick to do it yourself at home, but I'm curious about what the professional equipment to do this consists of. I've seen some furnaces in Enco catalogs, but I wasn't quite sure what I was looking at.

So what's the professional heat treating setup usually consist of? Is the tempering done in the same furnace as everything else?

Lastly, suppose I bought some of this equipment, would it be any more possible for me to heat treat some of the premium stainless steels with this than it would be with a torch and firebrick? I think in terms of heat some steels wouldn't have got hot enough, but I've heard of things like "cryo tempering" which seems like it's something I would have to get done by an actual professional whether I had professional equipment or not. You know, that whole separation between tools and knowledge.

Anyway, just wondering if I should invest in a good furnace or just have my pieces sent off for heat treat. Having them sent off is kind of spendy, and in a little way it kind of removes from part of the reason I want to make knives---I like the idea of doing it all myself.

The other thing I'm curious about is belt grinders...

Do you guys put these together yourselves, or do you buy them as kits? What's the typical start up cost? Electrical demands? Cost and life of the belts? Do you find it useful for production volume, or would you use it over hand files even if you you weren't production-oriented?

I don't think I'm going to buy any of this stuff right away as my work space probably can't support them. My garage has got people's stuff all over the place, carpeting, and an electrical setup that I worry about even running space heaters, so I don't think a belt grinder or a heat treating furnace is very ideal in this setting, but I just want to know some more about them.

I think it would at least be cool to get a belt grinder setup, at least that way I could finish several knives at once to get heat treated and not feel like I'm wasting money. As I said though, I wonder if my working space can even handle the electrical and saftey demands. I had some problems even running 30 amps through the electrical wiring in this garage over the winter, so I really doubt that I'm going to be able to use any of this equipment until a little later down the line when I've got a good work shop.

Anyway, just looking for some general advise on getting started at home and maybe a little knowledge about these pieces of equipment if it's even feasible for me to run them at home.
 
I'm new to knifemaking also, but I can tell you to read all the stickies at the top of this forum. There is also a list of supplies in there that have all the supplies, tools and equipment you will need or want.

My "shop" is a 2X8 board and a vice clamped to some saw horses.
 
As I said though, I wonder if my working space can even handle the electrical and saftey demands. I had some problems even running 30 amps through the electrical wiring in this garage over the winter, so I really doubt that I'm going to be able to use any of this equipment until a little later down the line when I've got a good work shop.

Anyway, just looking for some general advise on getting started at home and maybe a little knowledge about these pieces of equipment if it's even feasible for me to run them at home.

There are others with much more knowledge than I about this stuff, but just off the point of my head it seems like one of the first things you need to invest in is an upgrade to your electrical system. Regardless of how nice and fancy a power tool may be, it's not much use without the power to use it. Well, I suppose you COULD just rub the blade up and down on the stationary grinding belt as it's sitting there, but I know from experience that it takes forever to cut wood with a chainsaw when you don't have any fuel for it. Man, were my arms tired!

- LonePine
AKA Paul Meske, Wisconsin
 
There are others with much more knowledge than I about this stuff, but just off the point of my head it seems like one of the first things you need to invest in is an upgrade to your electrical system. Regardless of how nice and fancy a power tool may be, it's not much use without the power to use it. Well, I suppose you COULD just rub the blade up and down on the stationary grinding belt as it's sitting there, but I know from experience that it takes forever to cut wood with a chainsaw when you don't have any fuel for it. Man, were my arms tired!

- LonePine
AKA Paul Meske, Wisconsin

Haha, well yeah, the plan was to get new wiring, but I don't know if I want to totally renovate the electrical since I'm just renting here anyway. I would figure that if not a belt grinder, that a furnace would probably be too much for the current wiring of it even if new wiring was installed. I just don't think the garage is meant to handle that kind of juice, so that's what I meant about waiting until I get a proper work shop.

I guess like a good idea on the type of electrical I'd need to run it would be good. Do I need to install like 200 amp service in the workshop for stuff like that?
 
Paragon, Evenheat, SugarCreek are three of the most popular and most used heathtreat ovens. Yes tempering can also be done in them. Most are fully programable for every stage of the process for any type of steel. You need to read all the "sticky Posts" for all your answers and then some.
 
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