Ever stabbed anyone?

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Allen E. Treat

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I hear alot on this forum regarding
"self defense" and use of the "manual" stab to "end" a
conflict ; when I was stationed at Ft. Benning, Ga. alot
of instructors praised & at the same time vituperated this
approach ( "stabbing" ) I also talked to alot of WWII vets
who(m) related that when they used their bayonet(s) to "stab"
an opponent it required a great amount of effort to remove
the impaled object. What has been the EXPERIENCE, of any of you
forumite(s) regarding this? ;)

A.E.T. ;)

BTW : These same vets told me a good slash would be better on the opponent rather than tryin' to pull your knife out of them! ;)
 
The only person I've ever hurt with a knife has been myself in a few "ever cut yourself with a knife?" situations.:rolleyes: For the past few months I've remained blood free, but I'm probably living on borrowed time.:p
 
No experience actually stabbing anyone, but I'll relate something I watched. A martial arts instructor with CO students got a video from a prison. Lots of stabbing, no "sticks". Note prison shivs tend to be small, 2-3 inches or so. They're used strictly for stabbing, so if sticking was really a problem, it would always be one stab, then it's stuck. Instead, it's always repeated high-speed stabs. Anyway, that wasn't first-hand experience of me stabbing someone, but it was seeing video of the "real deal", as it were. I have a buddy who is a CO here, who basically confirms what I just described.

I don't have a lot of trouble believing a 7" bayonet into the ribs would be difficult to pull out, especially if the person collapsed on the blade. You can get similar comments from the guys who hunt big pigs with knives -- their knives are long, and if I'm not mistaken, they talk about some degree of sticking as well. But I'm also certain that with the 3-4" blades most forumites carry, sticking is far from a certainty.

Joe
 
This topic seems more appropriate for the Practical Tactical forum. Perhaps the moderator would move the thread?
 
Never mind, I decided not to answer in this public forum. If you really want to know about all this "killing another human" with a knife crap, then you should go over to the strider forum and find the thread dedicated to discussing such disturbing crap. I see NO place for this under "general" knife discussion where anyone over the age of 13 is allowed to register and post. Knife defense is not fun, interesting or cool.
 
It's most definitely interesting, and certainly fun to practice. It is probably more appropriate to PracTac though. And the question isn't "killing another human" necessarily. It's "if you stab, does it stick?"

Joe
 
Knives or guns, sticks or fists, if you can't take responsibility for defending your own life, how can you expect someone else to? This doesn't mean glorying in gore, but if thirteen-year olds don't learn about sex at home, they learn it in the streets. If we can show responsible, restrained self-defense, these thirteen-year olds, already interested, may get off to a better start than sneaking around in the dark with a cheap POS, looking for adventure.
 
My main concern with topics like this is that in discussing the mechanics of this act, is that there isn't any consideration of the narrow set of circumstances when a violent response is appropriate, moral, and legal. I know the original posters was refering to war veterans who used bayonets, but most of us are not going to find ourselves in circumstances when we are killing for our country.

I'm not a pacifist, but I know that when in a court of law, the bar to justify stabbing someone is very high and we had better not ever forget it,
and we really need to stress this to kids who may think that they are being tough or showing their manhood only to ruin the rest of their lives.
 
Hey anthony cheeseboro :

You're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! This is the point I'm trying to make
to YoungCutter ( see : "Hawkbill blades for utility/self defense")
He is quick to state he would rather be "judged by twelve" ; I
have an attorney friend who(m) shot someone & it cost him mucho dinero
and he STILL did 8 months & now has a "record"! It seems even if the "chips are down" your "jury of twelve" ( which is not always the case these days ; "high power" lawyers even prefer to "plea bargain"
than try a case out ) will often stand against you. Blame the media for that one!

A.E.T.
 
Allen,

I am not quick to be judged, and no where did I ever say such a thing.
I said that in the grand scheme of things I'd rather be judged than dead, and that's still true, that doesn't mean I'm in a hurry to get there.
Believe it or not, I've been in alot of self-defense situtations which were able to be resolved with a minimal show of force, I scale my responses to the threat, if the threat is just some addict wandering towards me like the fellow described in "I almost had to use my knife today...", I wouldn't even THINK of going to my knife in that sort of situation, but if I was like that poor fella described in the Spyderco forum, getting my head bashed in repeatedly and suffocating, then I think that would be an appropriate time to use my knife.
I've seen more "action", "excitement", "adventure", and "danger" in my life to know that they all come with very unpleasant prices, and generally they suck. I avoid trouble when I can, and most of the time it works, but sometimes you just can't dodge anymore - and for that you need a certain amount of readiness.

I would ask that you quit classifying me as a "young punk kid who just wants to make trouble" just because I don't dally around the idea of stabbing folk. In the rarest of circumstances, it may be just "what you have to do", and that's something I don't joke about.
 
Unfortunatley, one of my knives was used to stab someone. In the 8th grade, my friend Howard won a contest. The prize was a 5lb chocolate bar. We spirited it away to my house and broke out my first knife. An uncle henry stockman. Howard descended on the bar of candy like a madman. After eating some shavings, we decided to quit messing around. Howard jabbed the blade in and began prying and pushing to break off a more respectable slab, fitting his achievement as top seller in the band fundraiser. We next heard the sweet sound of chocolate breaking off! There was much rejoicing. Until Howard realized the little knife was stuck in his thigh.
 
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