Experience with Seeland waterproof trousers?

knoefz

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I'm searching for a pair of waterproof trousers for hiking Scottland this summer.

First I thought of a pair Fjallraven Ovik that take a wax layer for waterproofing. Then thought about a pair in softshell from Vaude because no maintenance is needed, but softshell can be kind of hot and the seems are not 100% waterproof I think.

Now the Seeland Eton trousers caught my eye and seem easier in maintenance with a breathing waterproof membrane (like goretex... but much more affordable). Any of you guys have experience with these pants or Seeland clothes in general? Can't find many reviews.

Other suggestions on waterproof pants are also welcome.
 
From many miles in Scotland...........

Wear high gaiters as the first line against wet heather and grass

Chaps are cool and easy to take on and off
Look at the Sierra Design chaps
 
I've no experience with them but that's not the way I'd go.

Looking at them they look like a fine product but one that for me would be very niche. They seem to be squarely in the class of product that is shooting clothing meets country casuals. There are loads of garments that fit the niche of fine in a bit of drizzle for a while, then back to the Land Rover, and certainly indoors by the end of the day. Barbour waxed jackets are a bit like that, great, but not what you'd pick to be on the hill in the rain in for a few days straight. There's a plethora of up-armoured synthetics around now that fit this niche, and with the specs of the Seetex being 5000/5000 I'd chuck those on the pile too as far as performance goes.

5000/5000 is neither very water resistant or breathable. In fact it is a very low score. Legally speaking they are allowed to market stuff with those figures as waterproof here. Personally, I think that should be a crime. The cheapest snowboard stuff you can get scores that, and it is never intended to be waterproof as in rainproof. There is a trend at the moment to set the benchmark at closer to 10000 with some of the newer materials on the market. The claim that often goes with that is “you will hardly ever be out in rain that needs more, so settle here”. I think that's a bunch of marketing tripe. I've still got wet in that sort of kit.

Mebe it is due to the differences in activities we get up to outdoors, but I'm personally dug right in to the 28000ish figure offered up by Gore-Tex if it is raining properly. Recently, I've been digging on eVent too at around the same kind of figures. Stuff that can handle this is as good as it gets [regardless of which one edges it], and are exactly the kind of fabrics I want to be in if it could hammer down relentlessly while I'm off the beaten track.

That said, whilst I stand on that being as good as it gets, and always will be what I want, I completely concede that 20000 can be a very acceptable figure. That is good news because it opens up the option of Pertex Shield [at potentially only £30 than the Seetex]. Because of what I said above I've not tried it but the figures are impressive. If I was in winter doing a bunch of harder stuff I'd probably be living in 3 layer Gore. On the bike eVent. Yet in summer where I might not get to use a waterproof at all, but if I do need one I'm going to need a pretty good one, Pertex Sheild looks great. That level of waterproofness in a package that scrunches up small and weighs 125g/4.4oz [in medium] has considerable appeal to me. My size in a pair of Montane Minimus can't weigh more than about 6oz. That would free me to wear something a lot cooler when I wasn't in those than a jack-of-all trades country causal trouser. They must be warm and unhappy to be in with that 5000/5000 business in the height of summer if you use them outside of a quite narrow scope.

I'm sure we could find others too so I'm not rooting for the Minimus exclusively. They just make for a good illustration of the way I'd go – a light trouser and decent packable over trouser in preference to a pair of low performance all-in-one jobbies.

Totally with neeman on gaiters.

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Thanks for the insight and facts / numbers on this subject.
Had looked into the science of these pants... the word waterproof and breathable had me sold instantly (dumb I know)

Is gaitors on normal pants combined with a pair of less (un)breathable rainpantn that you only wear during the rain the way to go in your view?
I thought looking for a waterproof pants that I can wear all day long will be more comfy.
But any insight is welcome!

I have a Millet goretex jacket, but can't afford/justify buying goretex pants atm.
 
Two separate issues going on: 1] There's what I know about the numbers and what that means. 2] What I personally would do about that given the task parameters. The first is going to be the right answer, and anyone that tells you different is wrong. The second is going to be a bunch of routes to solving that, and I can't claim a right answer there. I can just throw my reasoning into the ring for the way I'd go, but it isn't necessarily any better than what someone else would do about it.

I'm not opposed to the idea of a pair of waterproof trousers that you just climb in at the start of the day and call that good. I've done that a lot with a pair of 3 layer Gore-Tex bib and brace. Ideal for the right conditions. Fit and forget kind of action. Still, as brilliant as that solution is it is obviously not going to be anywhere near as comfortable as just being in a regular pair of trousers. It is the returns from the waterproofness that makes it worthwhile. For me, unless that waterproof component is extremely good it isn't worth the compromise. 5000 is nowhere near good enough to pay me back. And obviously if it isn't wet the whole purpose is subverted. You are going in summer. On the strength of that alone I'd be looking toward two garments.

The Seeland Etons strike me as the kind of thing that I'd enjoy for a typical morning dog walk with in a pair of rubber boots where everything is a bit damp or drizzly. That's a task that may not require a full on waterproof but needs a bit more splash protection than a regular pair of 50/50 polycotton trousers. They are exactly the kind of thing I would like for a bit of early morning air rifle or rough shoot shotgun in the damp leaves. For me that would be their raison d'etre, and nothing else.

Further, depending where you go in Scotland, you could easily spend a lot of time walking through long wet foliage. This thrashes the hell out of your gear. It strips the wax off your boots like nothing else. Your trousers could take a pounding up to the knee. neeman advocated long gaiters precisely because of that. They are going to defend your waterproof layer when it rains but also when it has rained. It is not uncommon for it to rain like mad and then the sun comes out and it is roasting hot. You are walking through a bunch of wet aggressive veg but you don't want to be in waterproofs. Gaiters are your salvation. Under those circumstances I'd find being in the Etons bloody miserable. I'd be locked into a pair of over weight, over thick, probably wet and steaming trousers for the rest of the day. Then I'd have to climb back into them tomorrow.

Personally, if I were on a budget I would definitely be looking to go for the Minimus trousers above. At only £30 more than the Etons I would economize in other areas as much as I could before I had to let go of those. Those and gaiters for the win.

If my budget was really tight and no matter how much I wriggled I had to let go of the Minimus I'd probably be looking to the Berghaus Deluge, again for use with gaiters. At 10000 waterproof they are half as water resistant as the Minimus, but still twice as resistant as the Etons. Another downside is they weigh twice as much as the Minimus and will not pack down as small. That could easily be quite annoying in the summer if you are carrying them just as much if not more than you are wearing them. But hey, suck it up, you're on a tight budget so something has to give. On the plus side: 1] They are cut a bit better than most budget waterproofs. 2] They have some decent length zips for getting them on and off. 3] Berghaus has been refining this budget range for years and years now.

I've not tried the AQ2 fabric the Deluge uses. In the back when a mate of mine used to come fishing in a forerunner though in the format of the Berghaus Typhoon. That jacket used Berghaus Aquafoil [precursor to AQ2], and was undoubtedly very good for what he paid for it, given what I saw stood next to me in the rain. Retail price on the Deluge trousers is £50 here. A quick scan just now got me punching them up for £35. If I couldn't stretch for the Minimus I'd quit looking beyond the Berghaus Deluge trousers.
 
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Ok, you guys make alot of sense.
Decided to go the route you guys advised, ordered a pair of gaiters.
Will have to make up my mind if I'll use the rain pants I have (very water proof, not very breathable) or also invest in more breathable ones.
But the benifit os using gaitors seems something I should do without a doubt.

Thanks again for your nice insight! Appreciate it alot!
 
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