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Experiments and Lessons...Discoveries and Conclusions

Mistwalker

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Today was one of those days when the wife and kids are gone and I am left with some time to myself to just think and experiment. It was one of those days with phrases like…I wonder what this will do?…well darn it…oh sh*#!...and… hey that’s cool, and the random sounds of… hmmm… ah… oh… ah haaaaa… uh huh… and… AH HA! The weather has been pretty crappy here lately…well actually I personally like it just fine, but… the rain and heavy mists are rough on cameras and a lot of fire starting tests. So, here I am… I have this new Going Gear Badger to try out and my friends are getting tired of seeing me ignite fatwood in every way I can think of. Soooo…today’s lessons were in bamboo, mischmetal firesteels, and some physics as I experimented for a while this evening just as the sun started it’s quick winter descent somewhere behind all of the grayness that has been our skies of late.


A few times I scraped up a bit of bamboo shavings for tinder, and then split some thin slivers of bamboo to serve as kindling fuel.

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It took me a few times of playing with the Going Gear firesteel to get the speed and pressure right. I did learn that it is a bit softer and seems to work better with quicker strokes with less pressure than what I use with my LMF firesteel. It took a few minutes to figure out how to control the stopping point of those strikes so that I didn’t just scatter my tinder. However I did manage to get flames several times with the bamboo tinder.

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The discoveries were that; bamboo shavings make great tinder even under damp conditions, and that even thin bamboo slivers do not ignite easily with small amounts of tinder under damp conditions.

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I also discovered that the metal part of the super striker does not extend into the handle anywhere near as far as I had assumed it did.

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In all fairness I should mention here that I did inadvertently discover this while using it to strike an LMF firesteel, using strokes with harder pressure than the Badger requires. AND that two of the above tinder piles were lit after sticking the striker piece back into the handle using it with the Going Gear firesteel



I did do some experiments with fatwood fuzz and shavings today as well…I just didn’t bother with any pictures of it. I used both my LMF firesteel and my new Going Gear firesteel to ignite both the fatwood and bamboo with equal success once I grasped the proper technique. I didn’t find either one any better or any worse for either task. The Going Gear Badger did seem to throw some hotter sparks so I may like it even more after more experience and learning to control the strikes a little better. I know the G.G. firesteel is still new to me and seeing as I have been playing with the other type for some years now I am sure there are more things that I will learn about it in future experiments. I know I still have many other types of tinder to try under other conditions, however I have still reached a few conclusions today, even if some do happen to be short termed.

So far my conclusions drawn from today’s experiments are:

Firstly, that bamboo slivers make great tinder but bamboo itself leaves much to be desired as far as fuel goes for getting a fire going quickly in damp conditions.

Secondly, that the answer to the question of which is better between the LMF and Going Gear “mischmetal” firesteels is primarily a matter of which technique you are more comfortable with, and how much room you have for storing and carrying the firesteel. I think if I could only have a small diameter short one I’d rather have the LMF but I am still learning and so that is not a forgone conclusion. I do know for sure that I like both of them much MUCH more than I like the first firesteel I have from Firesteel dot com and that perhaps I should order another one to see if maybe I just got a bad one…I’m pretty sure that could happen.

Thirdly, I have come to the conclusion that, here in my part of the world where conditions are seldom…optimum, a striker with a full tang or at least a full length hidden tang is more important to me than a full tang knife if it is to be the striker I depend on in a tight spot. I will have to find, make, or order one to go in the kit I am building around a new folding knife I have coming because I really don’t like putting lateral pressure on a folding knife unless I have no other choice.
 
Wow, Mist. I had no idea that the steel only went such a small distance into the handle on those strikers. Maybe I'll hold off on getting one for myself. I wonder if SuperGlue or epoxy would fix it?
 
Wow, Mist. I had no idea that the steel only went such a small distance into the handle on those strikers. Maybe I'll hold off on getting one for myself. I wonder if SuperGlue or epoxy would fix it?

I had no idea either. I wrote Storl to ask his thoughts on it but he logged out before I could send the PM. In this case the metal is 7/8 of an inch over-all with a hair over 1/8 inch embedded in the handle and roughly 3/4 inch sticking out. I have no way of knowing if this is normal or a fluke until I hear something from Storl.
 
I had no idea either. I wrote Storl to ask his thoughts on it but he logged out before I could send the PM. In this case the metal is 7/8 of an inch over-all with a hair over 1/8 inch embedded in the handle and roughly 3/4 inch sticking out. I have no way of knowing if this is normal or a fluke until I hear something from Storl.

Let us all know when you find out, please. Only 1/8 inch embedded certainly isn't enough, in my opinion, for something someone could — conceivably — be trusting their life to.
 
Let us all know when you find out, please. Only 1/8 inch embedded certainly isn't enough, in my opinion, for something someone could — conceivably — be trusting their life to.

I will, those were my first thoughts also. However, the Badger is somewhat soft compared to the LMF firesteels and will throw good sparks with less pressure. It is possible to ignite tinder using just the metal part, I just did it. Though in all honesty that would likely be much more difficult under very cold conditions with numb fingers...then it may depend on one's will power and focus to make it happen.
 
I will, those were my first thoughts also. However, the Badger is somewhat soft compared to the LMF firesteels and will throw good sparks with less pressure. It is possible to ignite tinder using just the metal part, I just did it. Though in all honesty that would likely be much more difficult under very cold conditions with numb fingers...then it may depend on one's will power and focus to make it happen.

The softness of the Badger shouldn't even enter into it, Mist. GG sells them as strikers, not Badger strikers. It will be interesting to see what Storl has to say. He seems like a pretty standup guy to me, so it may be that he doesn't even know that they're that flimsy/shoddy.
 
The softness of the Badger shouldn't even enter into it, Mist. GG sells them as strikers, not Badger strikers. It will be interesting to see what Storl has to say. He seems like a pretty standup guy to me, so it may be that he doesn't even know that they're that flimsy/shoddy.

I know, I know...and like I said...this may not be the "norm" either. We'll just have to wait and see.

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Good info Mistwalker. I just recieved my 3/8 x 5" firesteel from goinggear and am probably going to get out tomorrow to check it out. Now I;m glad I didn't order the striker. I have a koyote PSK I plan to use as a striker. Or the striker from my strikeforce firestarter.
 
I just heard from Storl and he said that was the first one he'd heard of falling apart and that he would send me a replacement.
 
Awesome pics mistwalker, How does the firestriker knife do on the firesteels you got from Going gear? I bet if you use some epoxy it it will work just fine.

Bryan
 
Good info about bamboo tinder, but do you often build fires on your deck?


LOL I was thinking his picnic table... :)

Good write up Mist (as always!)


Ok, lol, not the first time this question has popped up...

Once again, this is not my deck...or my picnic table, it is an old porch that I brought here when I built my brother's house. He and I had just built an 8 foot X 8 foot porch on the front of an old trailer on his property two years before we started the house. When we demolished the trailer he told me to get rid of the porch. Soooo I brought it home to use for something else. It is going to be used for an out-building or something soon but since it is in my back yard it gets used to experiment on sometimes when everything is soaking wet :D . Usually I do use something for a base like a piece of bark but this time....I forgot. Besides they weren't real fires per say they were "tinder pile ignitions"....big difference :) .


Awesome pics mistwalker, How does the firestriker knife do on the firesteels you got from Going gear? I bet if you use some epoxy it it will work just fine.

Bryan


Thanks Bryan.

This firesteel works just fine with the striker knife and the spine of the Sojourner.

I was thinking the same thing if I built the epoxy up some on the front of it to give some added support.
 
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