Exploring different sharpening systems (video series) which is the best?

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Curious about different systems?

Let's explore together the popular offerings on the market

This series should be a great help for those wanting to buy sharpening equipment but aren't sure.




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Spyderco Sharpmaker
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Microbevels with a Sharpmaker?

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Disadvantage of the Sharpmaker

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Work sharp Guided Sharpening System (GSS)
Overview

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Repairing a Chipped edge

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Reprofiling and sharpening a dull knife freehand (no guides)
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Ken Onion Worksharp belt sharpener overview

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I'll add more content as I make it.
 
I just wanted to let you know I appreciate the time you putting into this project. Many will gain some insight. Thanks D.B.H
 
I just wanted to let you know I appreciate the time you putting into this project. Many will gain some insight. Thanks D.B.H

Thanks Man :)

Thank you this is just what I needed


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Right on, Glad it helped :)
OP, these are all videos you made?
Yup.




I remember when I was learning how to sharpen and how difficult it was to sift through all the different ways to sharpen and different devices.

It was Madness!

Haha.

The information in these videos offers just another perspective for the new guys out there.

The more information the better I figure.

I'm not the greatest knife sharpener ever.

None of this information is new either.

There is already great knowledge in the stickys here.

I just want to share my passion and share what I've learned so far.

Take it from it what you will :)
 
I got about as many different sharpening systems as you so you're doing me a service of not feeling so weird.

It's almost similar to golf where people buy just about every gizmo / book / method to improve their game. I've fallen for a few myself.

But I think with sharpening, anyone can get you some level of sharpness as oppose to those golf gizmos.
 
I am looking at the Worksharp Guided System like you one you have and trying to compare it to a DMT set like the coarse, fine and extra fine 2x6 bench stones with the interrupted surface.

What do you think is a better setup? I do wish the Worksharp's diamond hones were a little wider/bigger though.

I am just getting into trying to free hand sharpen.
 
I am looking at the Worksharp Guided System like you one you have and trying to compare it to a DMT set like the coarse, fine and extra fine 2x6 bench stones with the interrupted surface.

What do you think is a better setup? I do wish the Worksharp's diamond hones were a little wider/bigger though.

I am just getting into trying to free hand sharpen.

I would get the WorkSharp Guided System. Here's my thinking...

I did a quick price comparison on Amazon. For less $$$, you can get the WS + the Upgrade package, which will get you from Xtra Coarse to Xtra fine, with the addition of a ceramic rod and leather strop+compound. Replacement diamond stones also appear cheaper.

If you're learning, you get easy to use guides on the WS... plus the pivoting base which helps with learning and sharpening tips.

The setup itself is nice... it's a bit more compact with the interchangeable stones, and the base is nice and solid, and heavy enough not to move around. It also has adequate vertical clearance... the DMT stones require an additional base of some sort, and usually something to prevent it from moving around.

I think the only real advantage with the DMT is what you mentioned... the stones are ½" wider. But factor in 'continuous' vs. 'interrupted', and I think the WS stones would win out on abrasive amount.

So, that's my .02. Both are quality products, but with the WS setup, I believe overall you get a better system, that was well thought out.
 
I would get the WorkSharp Guided System. Here's my thinking...

I did a quick price comparison on Amazon. For less $$$, you can get the WS + the Upgrade package, which will get you from Xtra Coarse to Xtra fine, with the addition of a ceramic rod and leather strop+compound. Replacement diamond stones also appear cheaper.

If you're learning, you get easy to use guides on the WS... plus the pivoting base which helps with learning and sharpening tips.

The setup itself is nice... it's a bit more compact with the interchangeable stones, and the base is nice and solid, and heavy enough not to move around. It also has adequate vertical clearance... the DMT stones require an additional base of some sort, and usually something to prevent it from moving around.

I think the only real advantage with the DMT is what you mentioned... the stones are ½" wider. But factor in 'continuous' vs. 'interrupted', and I think the WS stones would win out on abrasive amount.

So, that's my .02. Both are quality products, but with the WS setup, I believe overall you get a better system, that was well thought out.

I am thinking the same. The points you made are the ones I am also pondering! It is nice to see the thoughts reinforced. I can get the Worksharp and upgrade kit for about the price of two of the DMT's 2x6 stones.
 
I'm a big fan of the Work Sharp Ken Onion belt sander sharpener. I haven't tried the Guided Sharpening System. It doesn't appeal to me, as it's kind of a hybrid hand sharpener and guide with the rocking mechanism. I won't call it a gimmick, as it seems to be well thought out and seems relatively sturdy based on the videos I've seen. It doesn't appeal to me, as I think bench stones are bench stones and guided systems are guided systems.

My 8x3 DMT Diasharp plates were sort of expensive at around $200 for 3 plates (XXC, C, EF). But they are really a LOT more stone than you get compared to stones in the 6x2" range. Plus the range of grits is larger, and the XXC is crazy fast for grinding away a lot of metal. I guess the decision all comes down to your goals and your budget.

Brian.
 
I am looking at the Worksharp Guided System like you one you have and trying to compare it to a DMT set like the coarse, fine and extra fine 2x6 bench stones with the interrupted surface.

What do you think is a better setup? I do wish the Worksharp's diamond hones were a little wider/bigger though.

I am just getting into trying to free hand sharpen.

I'd get the guided system. $60 and you have everything you need to learn and make some killer edges.


My dream setup would be the Shapton Glass stones, so classy!

Maybe I'll sell all my gadgets to get them hahaha.



If I lost all my stuff and had to buy a new setup.


I would be an adj. Rubber stone holder (essential) $25

A DMT continuous Extra coase $50

And a Shapton Glass 1000 or a Naniwa Pro 1k $100

Then a leather paddle strop with Bark River black and green compounds.$40

But damn $215ish

That's a huge hit.

But for me that would be the most efficient and effective set up for sharpening tons of knives for extra cash haha


If sharpening was a means to an end with a small knife collection

The Worksharp GSS is the way to go.

Super cost effective.


I don't like the interrupted surface, it doesn't work as well.

I would get the WorkSharp Guided System. Here's my thinking...

I did a quick price comparison on Amazon. For less $$$, you can get the WS + the Upgrade package, which will get you from Xtra Coarse to Xtra fine, with the addition of a ceramic rod and leather strop+compound. Replacement diamond stones also appear cheaper.

If you're learning, you get easy to use guides on the WS... plus the pivoting base which helps with learning and sharpening tips.

The setup itself is nice... it's a bit more compact with the interchangeable stones, and the base is nice and solid, and heavy enough not to move around. It also has adequate vertical clearance... the DMT stones require an additional base of some sort, and usually something to prevent it from moving around.

I think the only real advantage with the DMT is what you mentioned... the stones are ½" wider. But factor in 'continuous' vs. 'interrupted', and I think the WS stones would win out on abrasive amount.

So, that's my .02. Both are quality products, but with the WS setup, I believe overall you get a better system, that was well thought out.

This guy NAILED it

I'm a big fan of the Work Sharp Ken Onion belt sander sharpener. I haven't tried the Guided Sharpening System. It doesn't appeal to me, as it's kind of a hybrid hand sharpener and guide with the rocking mechanism. I won't call it a gimmick, as it seems to be well thought out and seems relatively sturdy based on the videos I've seen. It doesn't appeal to me, as I think bench stones are bench stones and guided systems are guided systems.

My 8x3 DMT Diasharp plates were sort of expensive at around $200 for 3 plates (XXC, C, EF). But they are really a LOT more stone than you get compared to stones in the 6x2" range. Plus the range of grits is larger, and the XXC is crazy fast for grinding away a lot of metal. I guess the decision all comes down to your goals and your budget.

Brian.

If you had to start over with a limited budget would you consider it?
 
If you had to start over with a limited budget would you consider it?

I've often considered this question because there are so many "what do I buy to start?" questions here. I guess it depends on your definition of limited budget. If you had $225 to spend, you could do LOTS worse than the DMT 3 stone system I outlined, plus a rubber stone holder.

I like sharpening on diamonds; they're great. But you don't have to have diamonds if you're on a budget. HeavyHanded's WashBoard system seems like it might do well as a beginner kit. It's only $60 including shipping. Which is pretty impressive given the range of grits available with cheap sandpaper, plus it includes compound, and several sheets of a range of sandpapers.

I'm also inclined to recommend something like a Norton Coarse Crystolon in 8x3" (under $20), plus some other medium fine stone. I achieved some of my first "wow!" edges on a Medium Crystolon followed by a Spyderco Medium (grey) profile stone (the 8" x 1/2" one). They are a great combo, but the form factory of the profile rod doesn't lend itself to good two handed sharpening technique very easily. The natural choice is an actual Spyderco medium bench stone in 8x2", but that stone is around $55. Still that would be a *killer* two stone system for under $100, even if you bought an inexpensive stone holder to go with them (under $20). Note that I haven't tried this combo in YEARS, so this is just some off the cuff thinking.

As you can see, I don't have a good standard answer for "beginner's all purpose sharpening system".

Brian.
 
I'd get the guided system. $60 and you have everything you need to learn and make some killer edges.


My dream setup would be the Shapton Glass stones, so classy!

Maybe I'll sell all my gadgets to get them hahaha.



If I lost all my stuff and had to buy a new setup.


I would be an adj. Rubber stone holder (essential) $25

A DMT continuous Extra coase $50

And a Shapton Glass 1000 or a Naniwa Pro 1k $100

Then a leather paddle strop with Bark River black and green compounds.$40

But damn $215ish

That's a huge hit.


But for me that would be the most efficient and effective set up for sharpening tons of knives for extra cash haha


If sharpening was a means to an end with a small knife collection

The Worksharp GSS is the way to go.

Super cost effective.


I don't like the interrupted surface, it doesn't work as well.



This guy NAILED it



If you had to start over with a limited budget would you consider it?

I agree with the Shaptons, I was recommended a 500 grit and 2000 grit for all my knives needs.

I really don't use my blades much but want something that I can learn freehand on plus not spend $200 on for they wont see alot of use. Now that said, I am sure I could sell off the other sharpeners I have to make up for the $200 if I could get buyers for them but still at this point my main sharpening needs are only touch ups but also want something to take care of chips or damage as I am getting into hiking etc. more so might get more use out of my blades.

I really don't care for the plug in sharpeners as I don't like having to plug a sharpener in to sharpen my blades.

The Sharpmaker I have works great for touch ups and I also have the 702 Profile set that I basically keep in case I get a recurve blade or something with serration but neither ones are my preference! :)

I guess for me, I am looking for the ONE sharpener that will replace the few that I have down to one and thus save me some money but still be able to handle any steel, range of sizes, etc. that I may need.

I do also like the idea that the Worksharp guided one is also somewhat portable so if I had to pack it with me say for on a long vacation with family, then I could without too much trouble.

Thx.
 
This guy NAILED it

Thanks! :redface:

... it's kind of a hybrid hand sharpener and guide with the rocking mechanism. I won't call it a gimmick, as it seems to be well thought out and seems relatively sturdy based on the videos I've seen. It doesn't appeal to me, as I think bench stones are bench stones and guided systems are guided systems.

The 'rocking mechanism' can be locked... and used like a regular bench stone.

As you can see, I don't have a good standard answer for "beginner's all purpose sharpening system"

I don't think there's any one answer... but the WorkSharp Guided Sharpening System does cover a lot of territory: decent price, variety of grits, diamonds to cover the higher end steels, guides if you're learning - remove 'em if you don't need them, easy to maintain, etc. Not the only answer... but a pretty good one! ;)
 
This may seem like a dumb question but is there really any need to sharpen a knife, whether a sak, blade on a mt or a fixed blade past a "fine" grit of 600 like on the Worksharp or DMT's?
 
This may seem like a dumb question but is there really any need to sharpen a knife, whether a sak, blade on a mt or a fixed blade past a "fine" grit of 600 like on the Worksharp or DMT's?

"Need"can be subjective.

If you really want to get down to it there may not even be a need to move past 300 grit.

Sharp is a shape not a finish.

A consistent, deburred apex is what makes a sharp blade

However, I prefer a more refined edge, I feel I get what I want out of a knife with a crisp apex and a high finish.

Cleaner cuts, less force.

Some dudes round their apex working up the higher grits due to slight angle variation and blame it on overpolishing.
 
"Need"can be subjective.

If you really want to get down to it there may not even be a need to move past 300 grit.

Sharp is a shape not a finish.

A consistent, deburred apex is what makes a sharp blade

However, I prefer a more refined edge, I feel I get what I want out of a knife with a crisp apex and a high finish.

Cleaner cuts, less force.

Some dudes round their apex working up the higher grits due to slight angle variation and blame it on overpolishing.

Yeah, I know "need" is subjective and without getting into that battle, to me a great "working" edge is around the 600 grit or less. For awhile I have just used the medium Spyderco stones or the medium on the Lansky Turn box to touch up my blades and it seems to put a great edge on them but I will try a "fine" edge sometime soon to see if I like it better than just a "medium" edge. Maybe a "medium" and then the green compound on a strop. IDK.

Part of the problem is that ever company has a "fine" and "extra fine" grits but they all vary in grit size/rating. Example: The Worksharp's "x-fine" are 800 grit, while the Lansky Turn box "fine" ones are 1000 grit and I have no idea what or how Spyderco rates their triangle stones, grit wise.
 
Sharpmaker is excellent for touch-ups,also dmt folding diamond stones.Cheap belt sanders are excellent too for major reprofiling.
 
I agree with the Shaptons, I was recommended a 500 grit and 2000 grit for all my knives needs.

I really don't use my blades much but want something that I can learn freehand on plus not spend $200 on for they wont see alot of use. Now that said, I am sure I could sell off the other sharpeners I have to make up for the $200 if I could get buyers for them but still at this point my main sharpening needs are only touch ups but also want something to take care of chips or damage as I am getting into hiking etc. more so might get more use out of my blades.

I really don't care for the plug in sharpeners as I don't like having to plug a sharpener in to sharpen my blades.

The Sharpmaker I have works great for touch ups and I also have the 702 Profile set that I basically keep in case I get a recurve blade or something with serration but neither ones are my preference! :)

I guess for me, I am looking for the ONE sharpener that will replace the few that I have down to one and thus save me some money but still be able to handle any steel, range of sizes, etc. that I may need.

I do also like the idea that the Worksharp guided one is also somewhat portable so if I had to pack it with me say for on a long vacation with family, then I could without too much trouble.

Thx.

Finding the Grail solution to sharpening is maybe not possible. I use several strategies. A long-winded explanation, directed mostly at you but also in general to the thread as that's the direction its going:

You mention hiking, and for me I have a pretty fine natural stone in puck size, maybe 600 grit. Is a silt/sand stone of some sort, so work with a splash of water. I also used a masonry bit to bore a depression in one side of it and now it doubles as the socket for a bow drill fire starter. The stone works great on my carbon steel hatchet heads, machetes and bush knives, I doubt it would perform well on higher RC stainless and on high carbide is a no starter. I use ash from the fire on a piece of wood or smooth bark for a strop, and this combination gets my hatchets and knives hair shaving sharp in the field, even if I let it go a bit. Choosing a steel that's easy to work is just as important as the choice of sharpening implements.

Any of the pucks on the market would be a good choice for hiking as they are small and effective, especially used offhand in a circular strategy. I have tried a lot of stones, diamond rods etc, but this strategy works best for me for field use.

For shop work, I tend to favor the XC DMT or similar to start - I have yet to find a really effective coarse waterstone or vitreous stone that cuts fast and clean compared to the coarser diamond plates, but am still looking.

For woodworking tools I use hard waterstones. The brand currently are Juuma and I finish with an 8k Suzuki Ya house brand stone or a Norton 8k. Strop on CrO dosed paper over a Washboard.

For regular cutlery I use a variety, but all tend to be a bit on the soft side - Norton waterstones, or wet/dry over a Washboard. This gives me speed and low burr formation/rapid burr removal. I also find this gives me overall very fast transition through a progression. Strop on paper over a WB.

On high carbide steel I just stick with the diamond plates, but don't see an advantage to using them unless necessary.

I also have a HF belt grinder with a variable speed motor and that covers all my rapid rough work and the occasional regrind - is really what it does best. I will sometimes use it to do the rough work on abused edges, but not all the time. While it is faster to grind than freehand, it also requires more quality control and greater potential to damage the temper.

Last I have a Triton wet grinder very much like a Tormek. It works best on woodworking tools. On cutlery it does a very nice job, but again is somewhat slow compared to freehand. It does a great job on a lot of tools, but also needs to be used with a jig at every turn, so is inconvenient for some tasks. It might be my #1 recommendation overall for a powered sharpener. I could do a tutorial, but is exactly like theTormek in use, so I'd not be bringing anything new to the table.
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Ultimately if I had to rebuild all my non-powered kit I'd get a Norton Crystalon combination stone, a Washboard, and a set of waterstones of some sort - in that order.

The Crystalon is IMHO the AK47 of the sharpening world. Works in any environment and will give you strong base performance. With a few tricks it can cover a very wide range of sharpening needs. You will need a lot of hot lather if planning to shave with it, and a hardcore foodie, Chef, or woodcarver would not be amused if that's how you tuned up their tools, otherwise a great stone to have but maybe not to finish with in every case. For the bulk of the population is all they might ever need, but it takes a lot of familiarity to squeeze the most from it.

The waterstones are great because you can extend the range of each grit value if necessary. Not many stone types can be leaned on to get better grind speed and finessed off the same stone without glazing, plugging, or tearing abrasives out of the plate. The problem is they are all so different in what steels they prefer to cut, how much mud they make, water they soak up etc etc, so what works best for one application might not work best for another and one winds up with a pile of them. They are also messy and require fresh water and a bath, bridge, lapping.

I like my Washboard because I tend to finish everything on it anyway, and at the grinding and polishing stage I can use whatever abrasive type makes the most sense, from wet/dry to diamond film, and still have a commonality of tactile feedback and technique. I have developed an affinity for silicon carbide wet/dry up to about 1200 grit because it works so well on so many steel types, and is very easy to maintain. The Washboard helps keep it from compressing as much, so my biggest issue with the wet/dry and films - deflection into the paper/polyester - is reduced considerably and I can use it on more edge types than just convex or Scandi. Downside - everything you put on it is a consumable, but wet/dry overall very cheap, and diamond films last for a loong time if not nicked or leaned on. The wet/dry itself can be used a long time as well if properly cared for.

A multitude of options, let me know if you find the perfect one :)

Martin
 
...or WorkSharp also has a Field Sharpener... that nicely complements the main unit. ;)
 
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