Extrema Ratio Nemesis Folder...Whoa!!!

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I just received an ER Nemesis folder from the great folks at Distinctive Edge.com, and, I must say, I am impressed, this is one hell of a knife!

No doubt, it has a unique appearance, I read in one earlier thread where someone said that they looked like they were designed with function secondary to form, I have to disagree, I think they look odd because form does follow function here.

If you have been frequenting this forum for a while, no doubt you have read more than one thread in which many people opined that the liner/framelock was not an inherently reliable type of lock, and further, was a hard lock for the maker/manufacturer to get just right, I agree with this, while I LOVE a well executed frame or liner lock, I cannot argue with the notion that they are indeed hard to get just right, as is evidenced by the countless liner/framelocks I have examined that had less than perfect locks, and frankly, I am sorry to say, the badly executed, questionable liner/framelocks I speak of, are not limited to cheaper production knives, I have seen plenty that were made by some very popular custom makers. It can be a good lock, if it is properly made, trouble is, they simply aren't that easy to get right.

Further, even when they are correctly made, they can, under certain circumstances, become inadvertantly disengaged, framelocks less so that liner locks, but even some framelocks can disengage under certain types of use. And, so, a lot of people feel that as appealing as the liner/framelock is, it is not the most reliable lock.

I have long been a fan of the good old lockback design, but, they're generally found more often on the fancier customs, while most heavy duty tac/utiity customs and production knives use liner or framelocks, Spyderco being a notable exception. I once asked the question aloud, what if Strider made a lockback? Meaning, what if there was a lockback, a long proven design, that doesn't suffer from the issues mentioned above that liner and framelocks can suffer from, but, not just any lockback, a hard core, heavily overbuilt and extremely stout and robust one? I had never seen one, and Strider has no plans to make one...

Enter the ER Nemesis folder. :) A lockback that is as overbuilt and robust as a Strider, and, being a Strider fan, I don't say that lightly. The ER is a fairly conventional lockback, but, it is massively constructed, with what appears to be the thickest, potentially strongest lockback mechanism I have ever beheld. The heavy duty nature of this knife doesn't end there though, the blade is thick, .25" to be exact, and has a fairly thick edge, meaning, its not going to be "scary sharp", but, what it will be is, extremely tough and strong, and, further adding to the utility, heavy duty role of the knife, the edge actually gets much thicker starting just as the edge begins to sweep upwards to the tip, making the tip area, to my eyes, just as strong and reinforced as a tanto tip, but its not quite a tanto in shape. I cannot see how this tip could ever break off in use, or even abuse.

The fit and finish on the knife is clearly "Sebenza-like", meaning, world-class and at a level rarely seen in production knives. Though the design is very different, I would rate the quality and F&F very close to the Sebenza, which I hold to be a benchmark in the knife world.

I cannot ever picture the massive 1/4" thick backlock coming disengaged accidentally, as it is placed where it wont be pressed until you mean to, and further, has a very strong spring, but, just in case, you are paranoid about your fingers, there is a rifle-like cross bolt safety! With this feature, there seems to be literally no way this knife can close on you accidentally, something I would never say about a liner or framelock, much as I love them. Also, you dont need to worry about this knife ever opening accidentally in your pocket, the backspring is very strong, unlike many liner/framelocks with ball detents that either dont work, or are relatively weak, this blade really cannot open accidentally, yet is easily opened with the thumbstud.

I find the odd shaped handle very comfortable for my gigantic hands and the knife seems to be comfortable, for me at least, in regular and reverse grips. The end of the thick lockbar is slightly angled to serve as a glass and skull breaker. :) The pivot pin is larger than normal, and seems to be heat hardened and the blade is of course that somewhat unusual, but highly regarded N690 cobalt alloy made in Austria.

Though I haven't yet tried it, it looks like the knife can be asily disassembled for maintainance.

While Striders, of which I own plenty, have always struck me as the end all, be all of hard core, heavy duty folders, the ER has that same feel and persona, and, the fact that it uses a massively overbuilt lockback design, well, it may just give it the edge in overall, ultimate lock reliablility.

I am not saying it is better than a Strider, I think I still prefer Striders for certain reasons, however, if you are like me and appreciate how massively strong and overbuilt Striders are, I have a feeling you will also appreciate how capable, and brutally strong the ER folders are, and, as far as I know, they are unique in offering such a strong, overbuilt folder, with a lockback design, a combination I must admit, the more I think about it, is very appealing to me.
 
Megalobyte said:
I am not saying it is better than a Strider, I think I still prefer Striders for certain reasons, however, if you are like me and appreciate how massively strong and overbuilt Striders are, I have a feeling you will also appreciate how capable, and brutally strong the ER folders are, and, as far as I know, they are unique in offering such a strong, overbuilt folder, with a lockback design, a combination I must admit, the more I think about it, is very appealing to me.
Damn.. you got me all excited and no pic at the end!

I'll do a search but just in case I don't find a pic of one how about posting a couple of shots from different angles.

Couple of questions:
Where is the best place to get one online?
How much am I likely to pay?
Does it have dual thumbstuds? (Left friendly).
 
OK, found this pic online, yes, dual studs, so, since it's a lockback, it is fully ambi. :)

Around $325 or so, www.the-distinctive-edge.com is where I got mine, Paul is a great guy to buy from too. :)


You don't see their folders for sale in forums often, I wonder if that's because they're not overly popular, or people who have them, keep them. :)

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The handle alone is 5.75" long and 1" wide at the back part (by the clip). The MPC is identical to the Nemesis except that the blade is wider and has a small serrated section.

Since ER is an Italian firm, they really need an American distributor to sell extensively here. They did have a distributor for a while ... oh, well, forget that. :p

The Sharpmaker does a great job on mine.

These knives are so rugged they're funny. It's like, "Let's go out and cut up some rocks, OK?"
 
They are not grippy, they're grippable. They are smooth aluminum, but shaped well to get a firm grip on them. For example, see the rectangular indentation just behind the guard? Two fingers fit there, like a finger choil. While the bottom of the handle is straight, the back is slightly curved, which fits comfortably against my palm.
 
Thanks esav, i always had a thing for ER knives, but i just couldn't justify it's price. maybe i should reconsider...
 
the nemisis is the ER folder i like too, the others look too 'thick' to me(dont want one of those), ya probably dont see many because not many people buy non-custom $300+ folders(in my experience when ya get into that kind of money most folks want a custom ie strider/sebenza/etc, the ER folders arent for the typical knife nut imho), lots more BM/spyderco/MT/etc out there, like the surefire alpha, ya dont see many for sale, hope to find a deal on both (eventually lol) ya gotta just keep looking.......trying to decide to get the ER or a strider, the strider is probably the better knife imho.

why is the nemisis so much higher than the others? all i have found are fully $100 higher than the other models which are the same except for the shape of the blade and about .5" blade length, again when ya get that high it makes ya pause to wonder if ya should get a strider, which is probably the better knife / holds its value better though i like the ER also.
 
The SMF is Strider's comparable knife, and the ER is still a bit larger, and the Strider sells for never less than $475 from dealers, while the ER Nemesis sells from dealers for just above $300, that's a pretty big difference, don't you think?

The SMF and ER Nemesis are very different, like them both, I can't say one is better than the other, as Esav said, just different.
 
Megalobyte said:
The SMF is Strider's comparable knife, and the ER is still a bit larger, and the Strider sells for never less than $475 from dealers, while the ER Nemesis sells from dealers for just above $300, that's a pretty big difference, don't you think?

The SMF and ER Nemesis are very different, like them both, I can't say one is better than the other, as Esav said, just different.


a big diff only from dealers, i have a strider GB, paid $375 in LNIB shape.

was comparing to strider only because they are both large thick handled folders, really the buck/strider, ER and surerfire alpha are the 3 top ones in popularity anyway. main point being $300 is a lot for production knife, when i spend money like that i really think a while, kinda like the ER's but also like the surefire alpha.

is ER connected to darkops? i say because the dokops stratofighter is very similar if not the same as the nemisis...........
 
SIFU1A said:
is ER connected to darkops? i say because the dokops stratofighter is very similar if not the same as the nemisis...........
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Sorry. Couldn't help myself. Do a search on Dark Ops or Dork Ops, read 'em and weep. There is a tremendous amount of commentary on the ... ahh ... situation.
 
Dark Ops, or Dork Ops as I like to call them are a blatant ripoff of ER's knives, in fact, I don't ever remember a company that holds itself to be a real company, ie, not an overseas (Chinese) copy house, copy an existing line of knives so closely. Further, the ads run by Dork Ops are outrageously stupid and offensive, and potentially a threat to knife laws and rights here in the US. Is it any wonder the creator of Dork Ops was ER's US representitive? I had heard nothing but great things about this guy when he was working with ER, and it's hard to believe he could change so drastically, but, if he is indeed behind the Dork Ops line, and allows the ads to run, he has no excuse and any past acheivments, frankly, aren't worth diddly squat.

The Strider SMF is a closer comparison to the ER Nemesis since each, respectively, is each company's most expensive model, AR/GB's have long sold for $350, that's their normal price, while the SMFs are at $475, and the ER Nemesis is at just a little over $300. The lesser ER's like the Fulcrums, which compare to the AR/GB run less, around $200. So, you cannot say that the ER's are as pricey as the Striders, on the contrary, they are quite a bit less.

I realize $320 is a lot to spend for any production tac/utility knife, few production knives command that kind of price, in fact, the only ones I can think of are Strider, ER and Chris Reeve. I think that though they all have different strengths and weaknesses, they are all worth the money, for different reasons, which one(s) you like the most is of course a matter of taste.

I like them all, so, I have them all. :)
 
I had one of those for a week.

Truly a solid knife. But with 1/4" steel, and a 1/2" of grind, the blade is pretty much on its way to an equilateral triangle in cross-section.

Which means: Don't try cutting any dense material. Like cardboard.

In fact, don't try slicing anything at all. It doesn't cut. :p

:)

Otherwise, truly an overbuilt thing. An awesome stabber, that I'll grant it.

-jon
 
biogon said:
In fact, don't try slicing anything at all. It doesn't cut. :p
Mine came fairly sharp. After some use, I touched up the edge, and kept going: it is very sharp now. Obviously, it was never meant as a razor.
 
I love my MPC. It is the sturdiest folder I've seen.

Does anyone know where disassembly instructions might be found on the web?
 
cognitivefun said:
Does anyone know where disassembly instructions might be found on the web?
As far as I can tell, the pivot and the two bolts at the skull crusher are all that holds it together. They take the same hex wrench, a 3 mm. Once you get the handle slabs off, you may find some others inside holding the back lock.
 
Ah, I too would love to hear/see detailed disassembly instructions, I wonder though about the spring ear that rests in the frame, if it will pop out, never to be successfully reinstalled, well, by an idiot like me anyway. :)

But, you know, the more I think about it, you can't flick this knife open, the backspring is far too strong, so, you have to use the thumbstuds, so, really, and I think Esav will back me up here, what's the point of even owning it, and obviously, it cannot be a hard use knife, if it can't be flicked. :)

(In case you're wondering what I'm poking fun at, you can read an amusing little thread here) :)

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320249
 
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