"Eye candy" site(s) for knives

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Allen E. Treat

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Here's a website in which I use the "IMAGE" search to get a preview of knives I'm "ooglelin'" at :

www.google.com


Just type in the make / model after you click on "IMAGE" then, you're off! ;)

Any of you forumite(s) know of similar site(s)?

AET ;)
 
www.bladeart.com has some awesome stuff.

TBG- you really ought to visit Nordic. They have the best selection of customs of any place I've ever been. REally nice folks too. It's located in one of the most quaint tourist towns in So Cal. Solvang is really a cool place to visit(even without Nordic). My wife and I will occasionally go up there for the weekend. Between all the shopping in Solvang ant the surrounding central coast wineries it makes for a great time.

In the spring Nordic hosts a great show featuring a tremendous list of custom makers.

jmx
 
Keep in mind that Google is anti-knife.

They will not allow any website that sells special knifes such as automatic or balisong knives (or any guns) to purchase sponsored results under any search subject.

So, let's say that your website sells such knifes to legal customers and also sells flashlights. Your compeditor who only sells flashlights can purchase a sponsored result so that when a would-be customer searches for sites selling flashlights, his site comes up first on the list. Because you also sell those evil knives, you can not purchase that same sponsored result. So, because you sell these knives, google puts you at a competitive disadvantage in flashlights.

I've argued this with Google and they are unrepentent. It is their company (California company) policy to use their search engine to advance their social agenda which includes anti-gun and anti-knife elements.

Google is not a charity. They are a for-profit business. But how can they make a profit? They give their service away? No, they don't. Their real product is NOT internet searching. Their real product is advertising. The searching is just the hook that draws people to their site to be exposed to their customers advertising. In advertising in general, the rate you can charge is directly dependent upon the exposure that your venue gives. Billboard companies charge more for billboards that are along busy highways than for billboards on less-traveled back roads. TV Commercials cost more during popular shows than during less-watched shows. Time Magazine charges more for a page of ad space than Knives Illustrated does. It's the same page, the same area, costs the same amount to print, etc. But Time has more readers. The amount that Google can charge for its advertising space depends on how many people use Google's search site. In internet-speak, we say, "hit rate." Every time you use Google, you are counted as a "hit" for them. The more hits they get, the money they can charge for their ads, the money they make.

Google's initial argument was that such knives are illegal in certain areas. But do a Google search for Radar Detectors, which are equally illegal in many areas, and you will get a long list of sponsored results. Google finally admitted that their company policy to essentially to use their position as a popular, perhaps the most popular, internet search engine to advance their liberal, including anti-knife, social agenda

Do we really want the most popular internet search engine to be a company with an expressed anti-knife agenda?
 
But did you see any "sponsored links" for balisong knives?

No.

A "sponsored link" is when a company pays a search engine to have their site be at the top of the result list for searches on a given topic. It's a form of advertising and it gives that company a competitive advantage.

Google will not accept sponsored link advertising for balisong knives. BUT, they will, in fact, not accept ANY sponsored result advertising for any site that sells, in addition to anything else, balisong knives.

Consider, again, for example, a site that sells knives and flashlights. Includeded among the knives they sell are some balisong knives, a few autos, etc. They only ship those products to lawful customers. Google will not sell them sponsored link advertising under "flashlights" because of the evil knives on their site.

Because they sell these evil knives, they are at a competitive disadvantage on Google, the most popular internet search engine, in selling any other product that they happen to also sell.

If Google wanted to have a policy that applies to all products that are illegal in some areas, etc., well that would be one thing. But Google singles out guns and exotic knives. Radar detectors are equally illegal in many areas and yet a Google search for them turns up a dozen or so sponsored links. I pointed this out to Google and challenged them to uniformly enforce their policy. They declined to do so. They also declined to sell me a sponsored link even after I took the very modest and usually empty for-sale page off of my website.

If I'm not selling, then why can't I have a sponsored link? Apparently, Google feels that even information about these knives is evil.

It gets back to one question: do we really want the premier search engine on the internet to be one run by a company that deliberately and actively uses their position to promote a liberal, anti-knife social agenda?
 
Frankly, I don't care who Google chooses to take/not take money from. I use their product because it is the best search engine that I've come across. I don't get inundated with anti-knife propoganda when I search for knives on Google; I get exactly the information that I was looking for. If not selling sponsored links (which I never use anyway) to knife sellers is them advancing a "liberal social agenda", then I must congratulate them on their subtlety.:rolleyes:
 
It's just a rather unfortunate choice of theirs, in restricting access to certain bits of information according to where you live (they acknowledge this), and in not accepting ads from vendors they deem to be unsuitable.

Certain website are actually censored in certain countries, due to "demand" (from whom, I wouldn't know. The governments? Sheeple?). So you might get slightly different results if you're searching for information on the Holocaust with Google's German version. The real scary part is that they don't tell you what they're omitting. To the searcher, that information effectively does not exist.

Rather worrying, I'd say, since search engines are our main access point to the majority of information on the Internet. Control the gates, control the Internet. Now I'd really start worrying when the government buys Google. If that ever happens, I'm switching to a different search engine.
 
While I didn't realize that Google had an anti knife and gun agenda, and that does irritate me, I think Google still deserves some credit. To my knowledge their search engine is much closer to a real search engine than Yahoo and many others which are merely directories of logged sites. When you do a pay for placement agreement with Yahoo, AOL or many others, your site comes up higher in the search results. The difference is that on Google, the results listed on the left side of the page are the results of the search engine, while the results on the right side of the page show the pay for placement results. I think Google found an admirable way to still let you have access to the raw searches, yet integrate a pay for placement scheme which I'm sure their shareholders were demanding.

That's the way I remember reading the spin when they first introduced their pay for placement program.

jmx
 
1st Google is th ebest search engine, 2nd Yahoo is not a search engine it ia Directory like the Yello Pages and was not ever intended to be a search engine thats why they use Google and before used Inkonomie I think it was. 3rd Google has never stopped us from running sponsored adds for any kind of knife and we did for along time. 4th Google was a non-profit org. it was started and ran by University kids. It may now be for profit since Yahoo got involved with it but I don't know since Google does not do "adds" or pop ups adds, all they do is sponsored links unlike Yahoo and most others. Yahoo on the other hand has always been known to not allow gun and knife, weapons in general to be advertised on there and did at one not allow persons to set up Yahoo shopping sites that sold guns, knives ect. although they do allow porn sites??? go figure. But Yahoo and Google are not the same people. Chuck did you confuse these two companys? or do you have better info than I, I'd like to find out more myself since it would effect a few ways i do things.
 
Chuck did you confuse these two companys?
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I did not confuse them.

I've argued extensively with Google. They will not take and have refused to take sponsored link advertising from any site involving or selling balisong or switchblade knives.

I encourage you to try and buy a sponsored link for NGK.

They turned me down.

The point that people seem to miss is this: I'm not saying that Google doesn't run a great search engine. They do. But do you really want to support (and you do support them every time you use them) a search engine that has an expressed anti-knife bias?

The search engine is the key to the internet. Do we want to support a search engine run by people who are clearly anti-knife and who feel that it's ok to use their position as a popular search engine to advance that agenda?
 
So Chuck, are there any other search engines that are anywhere near as good as Google? I'd be glad to give others a try, but every time I try another search engine I find it to be no where near as good as Google.
 
Among friends, I joke that Google is my mother, since it can answer all the little common-sense questions (e.g. how to bake a potato) that you wouldn't ask your peers.

If things get worse, Google is going to be my crazy and neurotic mother. :)

Keith, try Teoma, it's the only other search engine that has been deemed worthy by my friends. It's also the only search engine that I've seen being recommmended by the computing crowd (though of course Google is Supreme Matriarch).
 
It seems that Google is getting a bad rap here (whether they deserve it or not). However, I would like to point out a couple of things here from the perspective of a knife collecting web designer....

1. Google is indexing 3,083,324,652 pages as of this morning, so if you are going to try to get ALL your info from their search results, plan on spending a lot of time going through unrelated pages.

2. Google does have the best search engine out there right now to my knowledge, however "the most popular" is MSN's indexing service.

3. I found this forum off of Google (it came up first in their listing), and have found MANY makers of autos and balisongs here since.

4. If they are trying to promote their liberal points of view, and can make money off of it, then good for them. Long live Capitalism.
(BTW, I am a conservative)

The great thing about forums, such as this one, is that you can get multiple points of view.
 
Originally posted by dersnaillik


4. If they are trying to promote their liberal points of view, and can make money off of it, then good for them. Long live Capitalism.
(BTW, I am a conservative)
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Well, yes, long live capitalism, and by the same token, we don't have to support a business who is making money while promoting a liberal, anti-weapon policy, so, yes, let them make money by all means, but it doesnt have to be "our" money and they can do it without our support.

I feel the same about Disney. Who the hell are they to tell me I cant carry my legally carried, concealed gun in their parks? Well, they of course have the right to make their policy, ridiculous and poinltess as it may be, as i have the right to not spend my money there. I dont wish to donate money to any business that promotes the loss of my rights.
 
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