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Sayoc01

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I was at a small gun & knife show & found a fake CR for $100!! Everything was perfect.....no China marking! I'm telling ya'll I went over it
completely....it was drop dead perfect......I KNEW it was fake...$100.....did I buy it....no....but I must admit I came close!I see a real problem here.....suppose a guy gets 50 of these fakes & starts to sell them as real CR knives.....he will make a nice haul.I even thought of buying it & showing Chris at BLADE 2015 ....then thought ....it would just p*** him off.Curious,how can a famous maker protect himself from China copies.Guy's I'm not kidding ....this knife was flawless.
Jim
 
By making better product, for example adding innovative features and producing varieties. I bet the fake one you spotted was just pain jane. As to the buyers, do your homework, and walk away when something seems too good to be true.
 
I have seen what would be called "high quality" fakes to the utter swill coughed up in some factory making joke knives and non of those were "flawless". It is indeed a problem though and beginers to CRK need to keep an extra eye out when buying. If you have any experience with geniune CRKs you will be able to see you have something that is not quite right in your hand. :)
 
Haze said:
I have seen what would be called "high quality" fakes to the utter swill coughed up in some factory making joke knives and non of those were "flawless". It is indeed a problem though and beginers to CRK need to keep an extra eye out when buying. If you have any experience with geniune CRKs you will be able to see you have something that is not quite right in your hand. :)
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Yeah,if someone is familiar with a real CRK they could likely feel the difference blindfolded.Do these fakes come in a correct looking box with the grease,cloth and tool?
 
While Its not secret that I like chinese knives there is something that strikes me as odd in you post. You say that this knife was flawless and drop dead perfect. But you also say you KNEW it was a fake. If the knife was truly flawless what gave it away? Some people are just stupid and dont know what they are selling. Or it could have been stolen. Either way fakes have existed many years and will continue for many years after we are all in the dirt. What can knife companies do? They can do their best to inform their customers, take legal action when appropriate and possible and that is about it.
 
My personal self enforced rules:

1. Buy from authorized retailers
2. Avoid ALL Chinese made knives until they get their house in order.
 
I can guarantee with utmost certainty it was NOT flawless.

Also it's Chris Reeve.
 
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Reasons,I knew it was fake.......only $100.Also called a friend over who has a # of CRK knives & even "he
couldn't tell".Finally cked with another dealer....he knew the seller & said he asked him & he said it was fake.
I cked the grind, weight ,edges ,action etc. I just couldn't buy it. I used to set up at shows,dealt with some Chinese,had one tell me.get a knife you like & want made & I will have 1,000 made & you won't be able to tell the diff.between them & the maker!I have found in the past you may get one "perfect "copy the next would be off...BUT....they are getting them done better! I fell bad for the makers something should be done !
Jim
 
I handled a fake mnandi at a show, and it was flawless too. Amazing lockup, fit, finish, everything. Supposed to be 440c, but who knows what you're getting, but a real nice knife for $50. Makes me want a real one, but $400 is tough to swallow anymore on a knife. Had a sebbie years ago, sold it like a fool.
 
The liberal throwing about of the word "flawless" here is very telling. I have seen these knives and they are easily picked out from the real thing.
 
Sayoc01 said:
Reasons,I knew it was fake.......only $100.Also called a friend over who has a # of CRK knives & even "he
couldn't tell".Finally cked with another dealer....he knew the seller & said he asked him & he said it was fake.
I cked the grind, weight ,edges ,action etc. I just couldn't buy it. I used to set up at shows,dealt with some Chinese,had one tell me.get a knife you like & want made & I will have 1,000 made & you won't be able to tell the diff.between them & the maker!I have found in the past you may get one "perfect "copy the next would be off...BUT....they are getting them done better! I fell bad for the makers something should be done !
Jim
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Well you wouldnt be the first person to think so but really the only thing YOU can do is vote with your wallet if you believe in it that much. Makers both production and custom have been battling counterfeits for years. I really dont see them going anywhere any time soon. You are right they get closer all the time. And they are quick too. With the internet even when a maker makes a change such as hinderer adopting his horse head logo it wasnt even a month later before they popped up on the chinese knives. The biggest problem is most makers and even production companies would go bankrupt with legal fees to enforce any international laws that may protect them. And intellectual property laws only really protect those with the money to enforce them which isnt many people. The ONLY thing most makers or companies can do is send C&D's to any dealer based in the USA that is found to be selling these items. But this is also why you find the majority of these sellers who deal in the stuff at gun shows, swap meets and flea markets. Rarely do they sell online because that leaves a traceable trail.

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The liberal throwing about of the word "flawless" here is very telling. I have seen these knives and they are easily picked out from the real thing.
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I have to agree. Even when the fakes are high quality well built knives there are usually ALWAYS telling signs and differences from the original. Any well versed fan of a Chris Reeve would be able to spot these differences and I dont think it would require having an example of each in hand.
 
If the knife is good enuf, the maker should be able to put his own name on it and sell it.
 
Was it a fake or a knockoff? There's a difference between the two. Did it have fake paperwork/box labeled to look like it originally came from CRK?

Anyways, you didn't fall for it, just move on. Fake/knockoff knives are nothing new.
 
Apec said:
Was it a fake or a knockoff? There's a difference between the two. Did it have fake paperwork/box labeled to look like it originally came from CRK?

Anyways, you didn't fall for it, just move on. Fake/knockoff knives are nothing new.
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The knives include the box and paperwork. The Chinese counterfeiters have copied everything.

A counterfeit knife would have his name, his copyright logo etc on it. The same knife without the name and logo on it would be called a "bootleg or pirated copy" according to Wikipedia. There are many names used by people to describe similar counterfeit, bootleg, replica, copy...

Here are a few quotes from Wikipedia:

"To counterfeit means to imitate something. Counterfeit products are fake replicas of the real product. Counterfeit products are often produced with the intent to take advantage of the superior value of the imitated product."

"Counterfeit products tend to have fake company logos and brands. In the case of goods, it results in patent infringement or trademark infringement. Counterfeit consumer products have a reputation for being lower quality"

"The spread of counterfeit goods (commonly called "knockoffs")..."

"Certain consumer goods, especially very expensive or desirable brands or those that are easy to reproduce cheaply, have become frequent and common targets of counterfeiting. The counterfeiters either attempt to deceive the consumer into thinking they are purchasing a legitimate item, or convince the consumer that they could deceive others with the imitation. An item which makes no attempt to deceive, such as a copy of a DVD with missing or different cover art, is often called a "bootleg" or a "pirated copy" instead."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfeit
 
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