I am new to this site and wish to know what people think of someone owning their own air rifle if they pay for it but their parent signs the papers and legal stuff. I want to buy an air rifle seen as im dead keen on shooting but my father seems to think im not trust worthy and am considered dangerous. However, he told me he owned three shotguns three air rifles and two air pistols. I'v seen the rifles but my parents told me the pistols and shotguns went before i was born to stop me from becoming dangerous and stop me having an interest in weapons. ( what a shame it did'nt quite work )
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Fake weaponry e.g air rifles
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Hello
I wouldn't see a problem with that. I was unaware that there was paper work for an air rifle though but its probably different in England. It hardly makes you a dangerous felon to own an air rifle. My parents were exactly the same way so I know where you are coming from. Good luck in convincing them. Maybe quote statistics on how many people are robbed and killed with an air rifle. Most likely none.
I wouldn't see a problem with that. I was unaware that there was paper work for an air rifle though but its probably different in England. It hardly makes you a dangerous felon to own an air rifle. My parents were exactly the same way so I know where you are coming from. Good luck in convincing them. Maybe quote statistics on how many people are robbed and killed with an air rifle. Most likely none.
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In England, you have to have a permit for any airgun with more than 10psi. It's called an FAC (Firearm Certificate), IIRC. England actually has export and domestic versions of airguns because of this. I have a BSA Supersport that would be FAC in the UK. There's a detuned version for non-FAC use in the UK.
Cypher,
With the statement that your parents sold the guns so you wouldn't beome violent, I wouldn't hold out much hope. Are you asking for an FAC airgun or a non-FAC? If it's an FAC model, will they let you have a non-FAC gun? How about Airsoft to start with, and a real airgun if you prove yourself reliable?
Chris
PS An airgun isn't "Fake weaponry".
Cypher,
With the statement that your parents sold the guns so you wouldn't beome violent, I wouldn't hold out much hope. Are you asking for an FAC airgun or a non-FAC? If it's an FAC model, will they let you have a non-FAC gun? How about Airsoft to start with, and a real airgun if you prove yourself reliable?
Chris
PS An airgun isn't "Fake weaponry".
Man, get yourself an air rifle. THe only advice I have for you is this; Be extra careful. I imagine your parents aren't going to teach you gun saftey. SO you'll have to learn it yourself. Learn it well and prove them wrong.
P.S. is second mtnbkr, airguns are weapons.
P.S. is second mtnbkr, airguns are weapons.
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I started with airguns when I was 10! My dad had an air pistol from his younger years... 600fps... I was firing it in the basement for many years, by the end of my 2nd year, I was up to about 80-90% accuracy at 15yards. single shot, breakbarrel...
Grade 6(age 12) I bought a rifle to help train with the rifle team with cadets. didn't have enough for the whole team to shoot at once(6 rifles, 20ppl), so bought my own. 700fps(used dad's FAC)
grade 8(age 14) I bought a 2nd pistol, 495fps, with a 30shot chamber for BBs, and still single shot for pellets. only at about 70% with this one, as I bearly use it.
just got his compound bow last fall, 80lbs peak, 60% letoff... hardood core, fiberglass arms, graphite arrows 32" draw... and his arm guard for full lower arm...
I have had plenty of weapons over thw years, and have been given safety training on all of them.
Grade 6(age 12) I bought a rifle to help train with the rifle team with cadets. didn't have enough for the whole team to shoot at once(6 rifles, 20ppl), so bought my own. 700fps(used dad's FAC)
grade 8(age 14) I bought a 2nd pistol, 495fps, with a 30shot chamber for BBs, and still single shot for pellets. only at about 70% with this one, as I bearly use it.
just got his compound bow last fall, 80lbs peak, 60% letoff... hardood core, fiberglass arms, graphite arrows 32" draw... and his arm guard for full lower arm...
I have had plenty of weapons over thw years, and have been given safety training on all of them.
Cypher,
The law in England is slightly weird when it comes to air-rifles:
You can legally own a air rifle (gun) at the age of 14.
You can legally shoot a air rifle at any age under supervision (My dad got me my first air pistol at the age of 8, however he did teach me proper gun safety).
The legal power (without a Fire Arms Certificate (FAC)) is 12 ft/lbs, anything over and you need a license (the same kind of license if you were going to buy a shotgun and proper rifle).
There is a lot of media attention on air rifles in England at the moment due to a number of people getting shot. Some people also want an outright ban on anything that could be seen as a firearm (replica weapons included), due to the massive rise in gun crime.
Just be careful. If you want to shoot an air rifle (or any other type of firearm) join a good gun club in your area. They will be able to teach you proper handling and control of your gun, and how to be a better shooter. Not only that but you'll meet some like-minded individuals there, and have some fun.
Take it easy.
Orm.
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The law in England is slightly weird when it comes to air-rifles:
You can legally own a air rifle (gun) at the age of 14.
You can legally shoot a air rifle at any age under supervision (My dad got me my first air pistol at the age of 8, however he did teach me proper gun safety).
The legal power (without a Fire Arms Certificate (FAC)) is 12 ft/lbs, anything over and you need a license (the same kind of license if you were going to buy a shotgun and proper rifle).
There is a lot of media attention on air rifles in England at the moment due to a number of people getting shot. Some people also want an outright ban on anything that could be seen as a firearm (replica weapons included), due to the massive rise in gun crime.
Just be careful. If you want to shoot an air rifle (or any other type of firearm) join a good gun club in your area. They will be able to teach you proper handling and control of your gun, and how to be a better shooter. Not only that but you'll meet some like-minded individuals there, and have some fun.
Take it easy.
Orm.
(Editted as I pressed the send button too early
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Hi there Cypher,
My advice is to join an Air Rifle club if you have one locally: Show your parents that you are dedicated AND responsible, then it's up to them to come up with a reasonable excuse why you can't have one.
Safety and responsibility are essential, and without them air weapons will no doubt end up being banned in the UK, joining everything else that has been banned before... You have access to the web so read up on Safety regarding Air weapons in the UK, an excellent place to start is the Airgun Bulletin Board, it's a UK site so all the info will be relevant to you and its also full of airgunning information.
I hope it works out for you...
Hellz
(I have my Air Rifles on my HomePage if you want to check them out...)
My advice is to join an Air Rifle club if you have one locally: Show your parents that you are dedicated AND responsible, then it's up to them to come up with a reasonable excuse why you can't have one.
Safety and responsibility are essential, and without them air weapons will no doubt end up being banned in the UK, joining everything else that has been banned before... You have access to the web so read up on Safety regarding Air weapons in the UK, an excellent place to start is the Airgun Bulletin Board, it's a UK site so all the info will be relevant to you and its also full of airgunning information.
I hope it works out for you...
Hellz
(I have my Air Rifles on my HomePage if you want to check them out...)
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"Some people also want an outright ban on anything that could be seen as a firearm (replica weapons included), due to the massive rise in gun crime."
Makes sense. Government bans most firearms. Crime skyrockets. Banning more will, of course, cause crime to go back down.
Ah, well, on the bright side, the higher the crime rate, the sooner the people will be motivated to kick those idiots out of office, and get people in who have some sense.
--JB
Makes sense. Government bans most firearms. Crime skyrockets. Banning more will, of course, cause crime to go back down.
Ah, well, on the bright side, the higher the crime rate, the sooner the people will be motivated to kick those idiots out of office, and get people in who have some sense.
--JB
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Man what a weird day we live in. By the time I was 14 I had an arsenal with everything from an AR-15 to a Double Eagle 45. IMO air rifles should be introduced to kids at a young age to help train and teach responsibility thats associated with firearms.
TheBadGuy,
I totally agree. I am so glad that my dad got me that air pistol. It taught me the proper respect that firearms deserve.
Unfortunately, now-a-days people seem to have lost their respect for something as potentially dangerous as a firearm. They see people running around in the movies pointing guns at everything that moves and think that they can do the same (without any of the consequences).
The same goes for knives. Most are banned here in the UK, for the sole reason that some people cannot be trusted with them, but the rest of us have to suffer.
God, I love England
Orm.
I totally agree. I am so glad that my dad got me that air pistol. It taught me the proper respect that firearms deserve.
Unfortunately, now-a-days people seem to have lost their respect for something as potentially dangerous as a firearm. They see people running around in the movies pointing guns at everything that moves and think that they can do the same (without any of the consequences).
The same goes for knives. Most are banned here in the UK, for the sole reason that some people cannot be trusted with them, but the rest of us have to suffer.
God, I love England
Orm.
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Originally posted by e_utopia
"Some people also want an outright ban on anything that could be seen as a firearm (replica weapons included), due to the massive rise in gun crime."
Makes sense. Government bans most firearms. Crime skyrockets. Banning more will, of course, cause crime to go back down.
...
--JB
I'm no supporter of the rabid legislation passed in the UK that mean our international pistol team has to practice in Europe...
The ban on replica guns is more likely due to the Police Service not wanting to use the death penalty here too often.
Think we don't have one? Try not putting down your weapon when a police shot tells you to...
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Originally posted by Orm
TheBadGuy,
...Unfortunately, now-a-days people seem to have lost their respect for something as potentially dangerous as a firearm. They see people running around in the movies pointing guns at everything that moves and think that they can do the same (without any of the consequences)...
Or they have so little respect for others that they don't care, more like. I was taught that if you carry a weapon, you do so because you expect you may have to use it. If you point it at someone, you expect to fire it. If you expect to fire it, you expect to hit. If you hit, expect to kill.
The same goes for knives. Most are banned here in the UK, for the sole reason that some people cannot be trusted with them, but the rest of us have to suffer.
Sympathise. I don't carry an auto, but a speedsafe, which an average LEO would think was the same. Be careful.
Of course, the ones who *can't* be trusted carry knives[and guns] too.
God, I love England
Now, if I was an American like some of those I met in the MidWest, I'd say...
"love it or leave it". But I gripe about the UK, too. I don't think any country has all the advantages. Despite living in "Gunchester" I'd guess I'm less likely to be shot here than in Colombia - or parts of the States. But I get more rain than most of the UK
Lots of people must love it, 'cos they want to come here... or they want the benefits... or they want the "religous freedom".
Like most people, I obey the laws I feel I ought to, or the ones which I think the risk of sanctions outweigh the desirability of disobeying them. YMMV.
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Yeah, there are actually 2 Air Gun magazines out, one is a seasonal book, It written in England. Other is a monthly book, it's written in the USA.
I love Crosman Airguns!!!!!
I got my last one last week, Crosman Model #454 (production 1971-1979)
I thought for sure the seals must be toast, but It fires extremely nice. Semi Auto 18 shot BB, first Crosman airgun to introduce the coin slot on the piercing screw. Very unique safety on it, it's in almost MINT condition only few small paint chips and a nick on front blade sight. Sadly in 1979, 250 000 of them were sent out with mail functioning safties, and production was cancelled. WOW, this gun only cost me $20 seller had NO CLUE about it!
I mainly am into Crosman airguns!
