Faking a Schrade USA

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About 5 years ago I started collecting Schrade USA from the auction site.
I always see new old stock blades being sold.

Whats keeping someone from buying the blades and switching out with the Chinese version (Sawcut Delrin) knives and selling as a USA knife?
How can one tell?
Is the China delrin color slightly different?
I just hope all mine are legit.
 
The knives made in China, look like they were made in China.
The Schrade knives, look like they were made in the USA.
The Schrade blades are stamped "USA" ... Ken.
When in dout, post them here.
 
From an ebuying point of view all of my Schrades come from the net.-I started collecting USA Schrades around 06(strangely just after I found blade forums :rolleyes:)
I don't know how cluey you are about this but I always start by reading the vendors words carefully. Rule of thumb-if it does not say USA or made in the USA or refer to the knife being from the USA in anyway-that means they are either unaware of the knifes origin and maybe don't care anyway OR they are deliberately neglecting to tell you because it isn't true.That isn't breaking the rules . I have been caught like this. Words such as "ORIGINAL" "OLD STOCK" "BNIB" "AUTHENTIC SCHRADE" mean absolutely nothing. Lets face it and not wanting to raise any hackles but no one will put "FROM CHINA" unless they are selling a truckload.And they will because for the price they are not bad value. But not what we are after.
READ CAREFULLY and read between the lines.
NOTHING is stopping unscrupulous knife counterfeiters from doing as you say. Except for the profit margin which would likely be pitiful compared to the time and effort that would go into such an operation.
I could be wrong.
The Price is a good indicator-compare the selling price of USA old Schrades and new Taylor brand Schrades you will immediately notice a difference.
Don't be fooled by Chinese manufactured knives that have an English name such as Taylor or and even more sneakily German names. In fact -if you see a knife with a name like "AMERICAN PRAIRIE "or the like it's probably made in China.You will need to dig deep to discover its true origin.If it is a German brand knife it will not say China but a look at the cost will tell you that it was made in ,assembled in ,or manufactured from parts made in and where it stopped nobody knows (well someone does but they're not saying) and a guy in Germany put a sticker on it before it went out the factory which gives it credibility as being a German made knife.
On a happier note - Used USA Schrades are plentiful and many are in like new condition. Some have a champagne price tag but there are enough to be picky about.
Hope that helps and sorry if you knew it already.:)
 
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Well, there is enough old parts in unfinished condition to put those american blades into american handles, were one inclined to do so. I have a stack of usa Schrade blade blanks and ground/finished blades that are going to be turned back into knives, but they will either be odd custom blade groupings in NOS handle parts, or full custom chassis with the schrade blades rising pheonix like from their hinge pins... No worries about 'faking' anything like that, so the purists dont poop bullion in ingot form.
 
NOTHING is stopping unscrupulous knife counterfeiters from doing as you say. Except for the profit margin which would likely be pitiful compared to the time and effort that would go into such an operation.

Bingo. :thumbup: Oh, btw, I did get stuck once on a Chinese "Schrade" knife, long after I should have known better. It is in the kitchen, doing hard time, life with no parole. Embarrassing.
 
Thanks for all the replies.
I feel better that the work going into it equates to low profit for the Schrades.
 
There are also a lot of Schrade sheath knife blades which came from the factory auction which were sent to China for finishing and assembly in recent years. The handle materials and rivets are the giveaway to knowledgeable collectors. They have a variety of original tang makings. Fakes? They do confuse many newer buyers but it is my understanding that they are serviceable knives having been heat treated and ground by Schrade. I personally don't consider them collectible. But they might be a good deal as a user if bought at a low price.
 
They continue to be misdescribed as original Ellenville USA sets, by many unscrupulous sellers misrepresenting the cross guards, handles, rivets and sheaths as original Ellenville....usually the only original item is the questionable blade and the box they put with the set to make it all look legit to the unwary....like paddys' original 100 y.o. axe..only had 5 handles and 4 heads....a more accurate description should be....our collectable crappp could be your non- collectable crappp....Hoo Roo
 
This Schrade PH2 was sold on ebay as a Schrade Loveless.
It came with all the Schrade RL2 Lovelss paper-work (with serial number) and even the black RL2 box.
The buyer could not find the Loveless serial on the knife, as listed on the paper-work.
When in doubt, ask questions and post photos in these Forum - It is hard to fool the members, here.
Larry will remember the SLW1 with all the bling - Clearly stamped "USA"; when only the SLW2 were stamped.
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I guess some ebay sellers are dishonest but there are things that can tip you off.
Myself,I'm starting to liquidate some of my collection as my health is pretty bad and I don't want the wife selling my stuff at a yard sale for peanuts.
Look at the seller's I.D.history.Has he changed his user name frequently? What's his feedback record? Look at all of his auctions.
For $10 or $20 on an item,most people would not waste time trying to fake something.
Watch out for the Tennessee Mafia sellers.
Even Codger finally had to move out of that state.
 
Hah! I didn't move because of them! But just as with any group, there are some "horse traders" who alter, mis-describe and tell tall tales. Buyer beware and know what you are buying. Ignore the hype and read the knife. This subforum and the Collectors-of-schrades-r.us site are the encyclopedia of all things Schrade. Use them to educate yourselves and you won't have much trouble with the TBLLC knives, the mis-described knives, the post-factory finished knives or the outright fakes and rebuilds which do exist.
 
Mike,
How's the swimming pool business in Idaho?
You know,you jinxed me when you made me that avatar.Now,I really need that damn walker!
 
Mike,
How's the swimming pool business in Idaho?
You know,you jinxed me when you made me that avatar.Now,I really need that damn walker!

The pool business here is nil. I had to retire last fall. No walker needed but I do have an oxygen tank. Still I'd say we are both lucky. Life is still good!
 
The pool business here is nil. I had to retire last fall. No walker needed but I do have an oxygen tank. Still I'd say we are both lucky. Life is still good!

Good to hear it. :thumbup: I have had some health concerns myself but still on my hind legs. The young wimmen are calling me "Sir," now and opening doors for me. :barf:
 
Good to hear it. :thumbup: I have had some health concerns myself but still on my hind legs. The young wimmen are calling me "Sir," now and opening doors for me. :barf:

And as I have found out, "mercy boff" is an urban legend that doesn't exist. Still I keep myself busy with other things. Las liqour purchase I asked if the young lady wanted to see I.D.? "We don't give senior discounts". :mad:
 
Guy, just finished my daily cruise of the big auction site. Noticed 1 knife with what has to be a add on + after the "SCHRADE" and then the post 73 usa stuff on the second line looks the same. The font is the new Taylor. If anybody else is seeing this and can corroborate I would appreciate. Knife looks way to new to be what is purported to be. Randy
 
Guy, just finished my daily cruise of the big auction site. Noticed 1 knife with what has to be a add on + after the "SCHRADE" and then the post 73 usa stuff on the second line looks the same. The font is the new Taylor. If anybody else is seeing this and can corroborate I would appreciate. Knife looks way to new to be what is purported to be. Randy

Without photo, all these words mean very little. Please post photos… Ken
 
Remember that condition only indicates condition, not age. Many of us own knives which are still in as-manufactured condition fifty or more years after they were made. And we have all seen knives only a few years old reduced to relic condition. TBLLC does have typeface distinct from U.S.A. Schrades. You can save a picture to your computer, upload it to a photohosting site and post the
 
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