Fallkniven A2 experience

Gator97

Gator97

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Hi All,

I was curious if anyone here has/used the subj. I've found it couple days ago - http://www.fallkniven.com/a1f1/a2_en.html, seems interesting. VG-10 laminated in 420J2 with convex edge.
I've tried to search, but A2 is not ok due to search limitations...
Is that blade new? Can't find it anywhere for sale.

Thanks in advance ;)
 
check out my thread on the A1 theres a bit bout it in there. its a new design. i have, however read in the survival forum that laminated blades with 420 on the outside can scratch... i wonder why they made this knife laminated, if you read the test section of fallkneven.se they tell you how the A1 will take 500+ lbs of weight hanging from the handle before it snaps...why do you need more strength than that? from the photos ive seen its like the A1 only a couple of inches longer in apperance. If its anything like the A1 its an amazing knife
 
Well, I already have A1 :)
A2 is interesting to me for the reasons stated above. Looks like it's a fairly new design.
 
Looks like it throws more weight/balance out front and might thereby be a better chopper than the A1 which isn't very good as a chopper (IMHO of course).
 
bladefixation :

[laminate vs vg-10 alone]

why do you need more strength
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The laminate is actually weaker than the plain vg-10 blade. If you don't want to test this on the Fallkniven, which is a bit expensive, pick up a Mora of similar construction and see just how easy it is to bend a knife when the majority of it is very soft steel.

The claims of greater strength, are either a mixup in terms, or hype. I would go with the former based on conversations with the people at Fallkniven. The ductility and impact toughness would be much greater with the laminate for example.

-Cliff
 
Cliff,
Originally posted by Cliff Stamp
The laminate is actually weaker than the plain vg-10 blade.
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The ductility and impact toughness would be much greater with the laminate for example.
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So, it'll be easier to bend, but harder to break, or not necessarily?
 
These terms seem allways to be difficult esp. to us non native english speakers. Direct translation might go to wrong term in certain use.

Fällkniven has tried (my impression about the reason why they went to laminated steel) to make blade that is less prone to break and able to take harder impacts - so impact toughness and ductility might be the terms they should use.

Swedish is germanic language and Finnish is fenno-ugrian language but sometimes we (and this may hold also for Swedish) use a general term that gives rough overall impression /qualities about many actual properties of material. Strenght could be translated (form english to finnish) to words that mean magnitude, force, strenght... when translating from Finnish to English there is also wide spectrum of words that could be used. Same may or may not be true for Swedish-English translation as I translate from swedish to finnish and then to english if I need to do it.

Interesting could be comparison between terms used by Cold Steel and Fällkniven as CS SanMai steel (420j - aus-8 laminate) is made because of same reason as Fällknivens 420j - VG-10 laminate.
 
i agree it looks a better chopper, not so much a new design as just a more massive A1. the A1 is ok at chopping but not amazing, more of a general purpose survival knife. I see with the A2 theyre going more for a machete type implement but IMHO if you need a machete you need a machete, if you need a knife you need a knife. It looks a bit of an in-between. too big for a general purpose knife yet around 50% too small for a decent machete type tool. Although I have no doubt its a better chopper than the A1 personally I would take along a quality machete and my A1 rather than this single knife. Of course im not saying I wouldnt like to own one........

I think i understand the reason for lamination, to make it more springy, although im sure youd have to admit it would take one hell of a whack to snap the 1/4" of vg-10 the A1 is made from. i wonder if there are any situations in real life where the knife could recieve such a blow and break, being hit by a falling boulder maybe but if you were anywhere near the knife when that happened you wouldnt really be in a position to use it afterwards...
 
bladefixation :

it would take one hell of a whack to snap the 1/4" of vg-10 the A1 is made from.
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All at once, you are looking at a pretty severe impact indeed. However stress can build up from much lower intensity and frequent impacts can therefore induce failure. Still though you are looking at hammer hits, or frequent heavy batoning in very cold weather.

I would be curious as to the edge durablity. How much weaker is the edge because of the laminate. How much more obtuse do you need to run the angles to get the same resistance to lateral loading as with pure VG-10.

-Cliff
 
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