Fallkniven experimenting with INFI???

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A fellow made a comment on the Swamp forum that Fallkniven had tested INFI and not found it that impressive. Evidently it was untreated steel. How the heck did they get a hold of untreated INFI??? Or is this basically a rumor gone astray?
 
leatherman said:
A fellow made a comment on the Swamp forum that Fallkniven had tested INFI and not found it that impressive.
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It seems strange to me that they have seen such different results than all of us. When I see results like this that fall outside the norm I pay no attention to them

:D:D
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
It wouldn't be INFI without the heat treat.

Got a link to the comment?
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No, I'm not going to out the fellow if he wants to stay behind the scenes, the comment was quoted pretty much verbatim. I'm simply amazed when I see these off hand comments taken as gospel truth. :rolleyes:

I did a little research and indeed a Fallkniven fan had a long drawn out "discussion" where he stated that Fallkniven had tested its knives against a Busse. Although there was no effort to back up these claims. Almost every successful company has its rabid fans, some a little less rabid than others. ;)

INFI is the sum of its parts, the steel, heat treat and cryo treat. Without one its still good, but as a total............ :cool:
 
I wonder what sort of heat-treat they used. Any? Tim Zowada was given some INFI and while he didn't like forging it, he did like the steel. I'm just having mental images of folks with unhardened steel knives saying "Oh this stuff is just crap!"
 
Porsche also makes certain models such as the boxster with an "s" model as an option. It has more horsepower. Somewhere around 60 I think. Anyway, I love INFI and I have used it along with 90% of all other super steels. They all have their place, as a large knife of any fixed blade for that matter, I prefer INFI. As I'm looking to buy a Game Warden right now. I would like it to be INFI because I intend on prying with it to a certain degree (no pun intended) and want the best steel for that type of application. For folders there well may be a better steel, I like 154cm ats34 s30v is OK too. So I'm not a closed minded person when it comes to steel, but whatever fallkniven uses I would like to see a head to head competiton. -Jeff
 
I still seriously doubt the veracity of the original statement; it was made without any support or justification. I think if Fallniven was experimenting with INFI lots of people would know. Obviously, Fallkniven knows enough about making knifes that they would expect an unheat-treated steel to perform like a heat treated one. I'm inclined to conclude that the author was just misinformed somehow.
 
That's like drinking the boooooze with out the fermintation.
Eating the porkrind with out the fryn'.
The chip with out the dip.

Does SRKW and Busse heat/cryo treat INFI the same? More specifically, were the SS4s, made of INFI, heat treated the same way Busse heat treats theirs?
 
Tyrkon Lawson said:
That's like drinking the boooooze with out the fermintation.
Eating the porkrind with out the fryn'.
The chip with out the dip.

Does SRKW and Busse heat/cryo treat INFI the same? More specifically, were the SS4s, made of INFI, heat treated the same way Busse heat treats theirs?
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The SS4's are/were made by Scrap Yard Knives, not Swamp Rat Knives. http://www.scrapyardknives.com/

I don't know if the heat treat is the same. According to the site...

The Street Scrapper 4 marries the horsepower of Busse Combat's legendary INFI steel with the graceful ergonomics and comfort of our Resiprene C "Mudder" handles. The generous choil in front of the guard allows for the necessary choke-up when doing fine work and ease of sharpening the entire edge without bumping into the corner of the primary bevel plunge line. The INFI Street Scrapper 4 offers a formidable blade size for both carry along the trail or urban duty.

Specs at a glance:

Steel: INFI
Hardness: 58 - 60 Rc
Handle: Resiprene C

Thickness: 3/16"
Blade Length: 4"
Overall Length: 9"
 
Ooops. Thanks for the company correction.

I only ask because of the edge damage reported in the thread mentioned above. A different heat treat could account for that I suppose.
 
The edge damage is probably due to the radical edge reprofile its owner gave it. You can damage any edge if you thin it enough. I would never reprofile an edge that aggressively on such a small blade.
 
Kraz said:
The edge damage is probably due to the radical edge reprofile its owner gave it. You can damage any edge if you thin it enough. I would never reprofile an edge that aggressively on such a small blade.
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According to the review, all the knives had the same edge profile @ 20 degrees.

Step 1 Sharpen all knives: All knives were sharpened with an Apex Edge Pro at 20 degrees and finished at a grit of 2000. Then they were lightly touched up on a ceramic rod to ensure no burr. All knives could smoothly shave easily. The Howlers edge as an example...Notica all knives were in the same condition.​

Both the Howler and the SS4 were used to chop bones, but only the SS4 showed rolling. Is there something about the howler geometry that supports the 20 edge profile that the SS4 doesn't have? I'm not trolling here. Just curious :confused:

Appologies for steering the thread off topic.
 
Fair question.

Outside of the steel difference, the other big difference between the two blades is the blade width and grind. The Howler, with the wider blade and high saber grind would offer a gentler transition from the more aggressive edge with the blade weight concentrated toward the top of the blade. Should this make a difference? Not obvious, but it may be a factor in this case.

I believe (perhaps incorrectly?) that Dan and Jerry know what the right edge profile should be for the knives they sell. When you tinker with the factory settings there may be unexpected side effects.

Or maybe the SS4 was having a bad hair day ;)
 
the testing has already started :cool:


bussefalktest.jpg
 
ThunderUnderKilt said:
There was an interesting review between an SRKW Howler, Fallkniven F1 and an SS4 the other day in the wilderness forum. The SS4 is made with INFI, but by Scrap Yard Knives, not Busse Combat.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=463120&highlight=f1
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Busse, Swamp Rat, and Scrap Yard are all made in Wauseon. Marketed by different entities. Three shifts, three brands, three companies, one source. You can phone Busse Combat, but only e-mail the Swamp and Scrapyard. Dont ask about getting knives from one company through the other, taboo.

Hope this helps. :)

Cant wait to see you put those knives through the ringer skunk!!! :eek: Theres some purty steel there.
 
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