False Edges?

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PeteyTwoPointOne

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🙋‍♂️ Question for the teacher, or class, whichever....False Edges: What are they good for....Looks? Use? Lightening? Breaking knuckles?

In theory and/or practical usage...who knows? who has used them?

BTW, I'm not talking about swedges or true sharpened top edges...only genuine false edges? < genuine false? o_O...wtf, oxymoron? 🤷‍♂️ >
 
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Better penetration. In Australia (and I'm sure there are plenty of other places) knives that are sharpened on both sides are illegal. But false edges on the spine are legal. So here at least a false edge is a compromise between penetration and legality.
 
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What’s your exact definition of a false edge?
Seems there are many confusion as to what it is.

A) An unsharp full bevel opposite of the sharpened edge.

I would say this is primarily designed for better penetration. However this can also be a practical marketing/distribution strategy for a knife originally designed to be a true double-edged knife, but recognizing it’s illegal in many places. This way, they call sell it anywhere, and leave it up to the user to leave it dull and remain legal, or sharpen where it’s allowed/legal.

B) Sharpened edge on the spine-side that doesn’t go the whole length.

I’d say this has 3 uses. First, better penetration. Second, more edge and having the shorter top edge for something else that requires a different bevel/angle. (The OG compound edge.) I have this feature on a Buck fillet knife. Third, job security for the medical industry and Band-Aid.
 
In my opinion with a false edge, you partially gain the benefits of penetration as you would in a double edged blade, while still allowing some utility. By example, you could still apply some manual force to a false edge, to better cut with the opposing sharpened edge. It's that multi-purpose idea where a pure penetrator trades a little in the way of penetration for additional versatility. As in most things, trading to a more universal platform trades specialization. No longer a pure penetrator...or a pure pressured cutting edge....a compromised medium is found.
 
Ugh... Making me drool!! I am still searching for a BG Urban Grudge and just missed the one on the exchange because I was having dinner with my kids!

But I would say the above are great examples of "Swedges" and not "False Edges"... at least in my mind.

IN MY MIND: a false edge can either be (referring to my above potential definitions):
A) something that LOOKS like a dagger, Primary grinds of a dagger, but has only one truly sharpened edge, and an unsharpened "spine".

or
B) Imagine a Busse P&L, or other model variant with a harpoon tip, where the length of the harpoon tip is sharpened, but not the rest of the spine. So the main Edge side is sharpened 100% of the intended length of the blade (minus coil and ricasso), but the "spine-side" is partially sharpened, but not the whole length.

Then again, what is a "false edge"? By what definition?
 
lmcq784 said:
Ugh... Making me drool!! I am still searching for a BG Urban Grudge and just missed the one on the exchange because I was having dinner with my kids!

But I would say the above are great examples of "Swedges" and not "False Edges"... at least in my mind.

IN MY MIND: a false edge can either be (referring to my above potential definitions):
A) something that LOOKS like a dagger, Primary grinds of a dagger, but has only one truly sharpened edge, and an unsharpened "spine".

or
B) Imagine a Busse P&L, or other model variant with a harpoon tip, where the length of the harpoon tip is sharpened, but not the rest of the spine. So the main Edge side is sharpened 100% of the intended length of the blade (minus coil and ricasso), but the "spine-side" is partially sharpened, but not the whole length.

Then again, what is a "false edge"? By what definition?
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I think unwisefool unwisefool 's Grudge comes close to being a false edge...the 55 is Swedge'd <imho> ...

I'm not sure what the technical differentiation between the 2 is defined as???

But I'll venture it's in how it looks, and as you and JV Knives JV Knives said, kind of like an auxiliary, robust edge that you can still press down on with your off hand safely, if needed.

I really like Currawong Currawong 's answer that it is a compromise in what's legal.

Maybe it's some of these things, all of these things, or none of them? Too bad Bill Bagwell has taken his eternal rest, I bet he'd authoritatively know for sure for us!
 
lmcq784 said:
Ugh... Making me drool!! I am still searching for a BG Urban Grudge and just missed the one on the exchange because I was having dinner with my kids!

But I would say the above are great examples of "Swedges" and not "False Edges"... at least in my mind.

IN MY MIND: a false edge can either be (referring to my above potential definitions):
A) something that LOOKS like a dagger, Primary grinds of a dagger, but has only one truly sharpened edge, and an unsharpened "spine".

or
B) Imagine a Busse P&L, or other model variant with a harpoon tip, where the length of the harpoon tip is sharpened, but not the rest of the spine. So the main Edge side is sharpened 100% of the intended length of the blade (minus coil and ricasso), but the "spine-side" is partially sharpened, but not the whole length.

Then again, what is a "false edge"? By what definition?
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Close. A false edge is not sharpened, but nearly so.
 
Currawong said:
Better penetration. In Australia (and I'm sure there are plenty of other places) knives that are sharpened on both sides are illegal. But false edges on the spine are legal. So here at least a false edge is a compromise between penetration and legality.
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...Guys are always walking that fine line "between penetration and legality..." Wait, What? Did someone say that out loud? I'm just overhearing; Knives, we're talking about knives, here.
One use I know of for false edges that hasn't been mentioned so far, and I'm thinking specifically of the aforementioned P & L S~, or as I call it MY Enhanced Satin Jack, is FOR USE AS A SCRAPER BLADE, taking the hair off an animal skin in preparation for tanning the hairless hide to make Leather. Hairless, because you/someone SCRAPED "that there" hide with a NON-SHARP, but NARROW-EDGED FLAT METAL BLADE with a HANDLE on it; i.e., a False Edge on a Knife. David Boye puts Scraper Edges on some of his fixed blade knives, both his Dendritic Steel and Dendritic Cobalt. Yet, they are a bit difficult to use for that purpose, because they are In-Line with the Spine, so your hand gets caught, stuck, or drags along the work-piece!
I hate it when my knuckles drag across either the ground or a work-piece, Don't You? Then that name-calling starts and never ends: You knuckle-dragger, You. Etc, so on and so forth.
Whereas: The Enhanced Satin Jack, (aka P & L S~) has a Small but USEFUL False Edge Portion, and its Advantage -- if I can sound like a sales-guy for a moment -- is that it ISN'T Straight IN-LINE with the rest of the Spine! NO, it is OFFSET, so that one can actually USE the Scraper Portion, that False Edge, AT AN ANGLE TO THE HIDE, WITH THE HANDLE RAISED UP OFF THE HIDE...!
Hmm, ALMOST Like it Was Designed For That Use, At That Angle. Well, Lookie There;-)
Other knife blades are the same way, with a similar design, but some aren't. Choose Wisely, Steel-Hopper.
Ya' Know, Back in the Day, Peeps used such features for Scraping as a Regular Task; for Knives were the Most Basic Tool of Man, and a man or woman's knife was The Most Important Resource he or she had, in daily tasks, while carving out a homestead, or a society. All Puns intended.
Climber, Knife-User, Hair-Scraper, Leather-Man, Carver of Society...
 
^^^ Good Stuff ^^^
Makes sense, too!
Reminds me of how my Dad told me to limb trees he fell with the butt of my ax and save the sharp edge.
 
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