Favorite 9mm load

favorite 9mm

  • Federal HST

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  • Federal bonded

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  • Federal hydra shok

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  • Winchester Ranger t

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  • Winchester silvertip

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  • Remington golden saber

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  • corbon

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  • Double tap :)

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  • Blackhills with XTP

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  • Gol dots from speer

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Ok I know it not a 45 or 40. But you cannot deny today's loads are impressive. So are fast and light or slow and heavy kinda guy/gal?

For me Double tap or Federal HST in both 147 +p.
 
I really don't have any particular reason, but I've favored 147gr loads for the 9mm for awhile.

For some reason, in the approx. 35 calibre handguns, I like 140-150 grain jacketed bullets.
 
Corbon DPX once again, these results were all part of a day long slaughter of Vyse Ballistic Gelatin prepared following FBI protocals. We killed close to 700 pounds of the stuff that day, the hogs were very happy.

10% Ballistic Gelatin Tests for:
Corbon 9mm 115gr. +p DPX
Testing Platform:
Glock 19

Barrier:
4 Layers of Denim
TEST RESULTS:

Average of 3 rounds:
Penetration: 13.00"
Recovered Weight: 115.6 gr.
Expansion*: .677 cal.
Velocity: 1212 fps
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Barrier:
2 Layers of Wall Board

TEST RESULTS:

Round # 1:
Penetration: 13.25"
Recovered Weight: 115.0 gr.
Expansion*: .649 cal.
Velocity: 1223 fps

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Barrier:
2 layers of 16 gauge steel

TEST RESULTS:

Round # 1:
Penetration: 7.25"
Recovered Weight: 114.3 gr.
Expansion*: .440cal.
Note: Made it through both layers of steel.
 
My vote is for the Federal HST--looked around forever, seen the tests on all of the above, HST did the best.
 
I think you need to determine what you're shooting it out of, and then determine what you'll, most likely, be shooting it into. This is what the FBI protocols were supposed to do, and everyone blasts them for methodology.
The FBI, like many of your state's highway patrols, realized that the majority of their shootings occurred in/around vehicles, and through barrier materials. Subsequently, they devised some tests and picked the bullets that worked best in those scenarios, but not necessarily in every scenario.

IMO, I think if you're shooting in typical self defense scenarios (frontal, light to moderate clothing, no barriers) a lighter faster round will work better for you. If you think you'll be looking at penetration issues, you'll want some extra bullet mass to carry your rounds deep enough to matter.
Obviously, if we knew where and when, we'd show up with long guns and a shit load of friends. :D
But I think people can draw some conclusions.
The original Black Talon and Hydra Shoks, both in 147, didn't do well in real life shootings at my PD. We went to the 124 +p GD, and it worked very well for us.
My 9mm favorite is still the 124 Nyclad, when you can find it.
 
The vagaries of shooting another human - distance, angle, clothing, size and density of the person, striking bone or flab, etc. - far outweigh the minor differences in the performance of the top cartridges. At least thats my opinion. :) So, for me, any of the top performers, from Gold Dots to Golden Sabers, are just fine, as long as I know for sure that my gun will feed on them properly.
 
I voted for Win. Ranger T, and I have over 600 rounds of it.

When I was first buying it, early 2004, it seemed to be one of the best rounds available and the gunshop that I bought it from charged less than $20.00 a box of fifty.

I've shot at least ten jackrabbits with the 127gr +p+ load and have always had very good results with expansion.
I haven't shot any ballistic gel but it's supposed to penatrate well.

Stephan A. Camp, who is something of a Browning Hi-Power guru, at the time named the Ranger as his 1st pick, although he may have changed to the DPX recently. He also shot a medium sized Texas deer with the 127+p+ load and dropped it where it stood.Patrick
 
the w-w ranger stuff is good, in 9MM or anything else, speer gold dot 124+P and 147gr, and remington golden sabres are also great, same as the ranger, in any calibre.

have heard the new federal stuff is also good but have no 1st hand experience with it. the hydra-shok is old technology and isnt the best choice in 9MM anymore if it ever was.
 
I greatly prefer a .45 but I carry hydra shoks in all calibers. Also I wouldnt hesitate to carry gold dots.
 
The original 147 gr. Winchester Black Talon, whihc was "banned" by whiney doctors apparently.
 
agree old hydra shok are in need of being replaced. They seperate from the jacket more often. Golden saber are also known to do this, has anyone tried the golden saber bonded stuff?
 
actually the original black talons werent very effective in 9MM, the new ones are a different story though.

i have heard the new bonded golden sabres work great.
 
The Barnes XPB bullets, which is what the CorBon DPX is loaded with, out performs every lead cored bullet made today. We have shot them through many different barriers and it has always performed like it was shot into bare gelatin. The bullet is a monolithic copper hollow point and is designed not to start opening until fluid is introduced into the cavity. As a result it maintains penetration through various barriers keeping it's shape till it enter the body at which point it opens with four petals increasing the size of the wound channel. It retains all of its initial weight 98% of the time, I have never seen one come apart in testing. It penetrates both reliably and with consistent depth. CorBon is quite simply newer technology that over shadows other bullet designs. Many other manufacturers make very good products. Gold Dot would be my choice if CorBon was unavailable followed closely by Silver-Tips in the larger calibers.

Most of the currently available self defense ammo on the market today is well made and will do the job it was intended for. Most have good records on the street. However DPX has an edge on the competition that could result in a happier ending than what might occur. The most important thing to remember is there are no magic bullets, you have to make hits center mass to stop an attack.
 
I agree Absintheur, shot placment is the key. That way I use my only automatic pistol as defense along with my 686p. The 9 is very easy to double tap and the flash at night is min with the heavy rounds. 686p was loaded with silvertip until I tried the corbon. Thank you for that tip. Blast was not bad at all I fell comfortable going to the lighter bullet.
 
sure, shot placement is the key, BUT if ya are gonna spend $$ for good ammo, i wanna spend that money on the best performing ammo i can get, in some calibres anything is ok (ie .45ACP) but in others (ie 9MM) there's certainly good performing rounds and not so good performing rounds.

agree a lot of todays stuff is ok, sure is a lot different from the '80's and early '90's when a lot of stuff either didnt perform well or didnt feed well.
 
Hydra Shocks were not all that in 9mm, but they sure seemed be to good in 230gr .45. The Speer "flying ashtray" 230 gr was the bullet that everyone was using a benchmark for .45 bullets back in the late '80's and early '90''s when most of the new bullets were being introduced. Same with the Golden Sabers for .45. XTP's seemed to work ok in 9mm.
 
everything works well in .45, even, to a degree, ball.

the bullet commonly known as the "flying ashtray" by speer was a 200 gr FWIW not 230, i used to use them in my SIG P220 a lot, several buds had 1911's, some customs, not one would feed that bullet reliably lol, but my SIG worked fine with them stock, bothered them to no end, lol.
 
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