FeCl3 Concentration

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I've exhausted my supply of anhydrous FeCl3, and now need to purchase a new supply. One issue I had with the powdered version was never knowing exactly what concentration I was working with after diluting with distilled water. So, the product I'm looking at (http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70125792#tab=specs) is in liquid form at 42.0° Baume. From there I know I can dilute 4:1(or so )to obtain the proper concentration for etching blades.

However, when I look at the PDF data sheet for this product it clearly states "Note: Do not dilute this product with water." (http://www.alliedelec.com/images/products/datasheets/bm/MG_CHEMICALS/70125782.pdf)

I wonder why that warning, because I'm pretty sure this is common practice...isn't it? Or, does this warning mean... use only distilled water, or does it mean do not dilute with water at all.

I'm confused. :confused::confused:

-Peter
 
I don't take that as a safety warning

Ferric Chloride
415
Copper Etchant
Ready to use solution designed for etching printed circuit boards and other metals.


They are selling it as a pre watered down ready to use solution
 
Peter,

I have a gallon of 42 Baum's, I use it diluted 4 to 1.

Seems to work ok for me.

Greg
 
The solution it is in when bought as a liquid etchant for copper PC boards is the stock solution. Dilute that 1:3 with water for etching knives.

If buying the crystal in dry form you have to be careful when handling and mixing them. The water you add them to will get very hot ( hot enough to melt a plastic container) and will emit chlorine gas. Done outside with care, this isn't a problem, but you have to know what will happen and prepare for it.

Here is my methods on using the granular form of FeCl:

Approx. 1 pint of water to each pound of FC granules makes the standard stock concentrate.
In use it is diluted 2 to 4 parts water to each part concentrate. I use 3 parts water and one part FeCl stock solution.

I make my stock a little less concentrated. For a gallon of concentrate, , I use 5# dry FC and a gallon of distilled water. Add the powder to the water slowly, outdoors. It will get hot, and give off chlorine. Wear safety gear....especially a face shield. Once mixed and cooled off to room temp, I store it in a heavy plastic jug that used to hold Muriatic acid. Obviously, I have re-labeled the jug.

For etching, I mix one part concentrate with two parts water. I store it in the etching tank. The tank is a 18" length of 3" PVC, with a flange foot plate fitting on the bottom (solvent welded in place), and a pipe cap slipped on and off for a top. These parts are cheap at Home Depot/Lowes/etc. The base flange makes a steady stand. The cap seals snugly. The solution stores in the tank harmlessly. It sits outside in the smithy year round.

There are two small "V" notches on the opposite sides of the tank top lip. This is to set a piece of stainless steel rod across to hang the blades from. Etching is much better if the blades are suspended in roughly the center, and not hung along the sides or resting on the bottom. I hang the blades on a long "S" hook made from 16 gauge stainless wire.

Many folks use a stronger solution than I do. I have found that for the best etch, use a weaker solution. Remove the blade often ,clean it off, return to tank for more etching. A slow long etch done this way is more even and deeper than a shorter etch in a stronger solution. When done, wash well with soap and water rinse then neutralize with ammonia water or TSP ( Windex works, too). Boiling for 30 minutes in water with a teaspoon of baking soda is done by some to "set" the darkened parts of the etch and assure all acid is neutralized. I don't normally do that, but several good makers do.

You can make several tanks for different concentrations, and in different sizes. I have a tall 36X4" tank for etching swords. Label them with "FeCl" and the concentration, e.g., "3:1", or, "STOCK".

Cost is almost nothing to make a storage/etching tank. An 18" tank costs about $10 to make, and lasts forever. They are also easy to pour in and out of.

Refresh the old solution with a little concentrate as it gets exhausted.
 
I don't have my last bottle Peter so I can't tell you if it said the same on it but it is the same 42 baume so I don't see why not. I did use distilled water.

Like Stacy, I prefer a weaker solution. I have 2 "tubes", one 3:1 and a 10:1. I use the 10:1 most often.
 
Thanks for the help folks.

Follow-up: Is there different etching concentration used to highlight the pattern in a Damascus blade versus that used to highlight the hamon on a carbon blade?

-Peter
 
Etching to display damascus is mainly a process of eating away the softer steel.

Developing a hamon is mainly a process of coloring the steel by reaction with the acids. You use a MUCH weaker mix for hamon work. 15:1 is my starting mix, used to get the frosty white started. From there it is a process of making some steel darker and some steel lighter. Some of the acids used toward the end are 50:1 FC, 100:1 muriatic, diluted white vinegar, or lemon juice.
 
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