Feelings of BK2 inadequacy after river trip - what to do?

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I just got off a 70 mile river trip that my BK2 tagged along on. Unfotunately, the weather service was VERY VERY off and I was hit by the rain storms that destroyed Colorado. The river I was on flash flooded bad and we paddled for over 20 miles looking for a place to pull our boat over - unforunately due to the flash flooding the banks had all washed away. All that was left were sheer 8-15 ft tall walls of dirt where the banks used to be......at the top of the banks were thick walls of 10-20ft tall tamarisks - all 3+ inches thick at the base and spaced only inches apart from eachother. They tams were so thick that you couldn't even push them aside to walk through them.

I knew that as the light was going away and the rain continued to pour that I would have only one option...use my paddles to cut the bank back into steps and then use my BK2 to try and chop my way through the tams so we could get our gear through and set up our tent and pull our boat up to saftey. Within about 5 minutes of coming to this sinking realization, I rounded a corner, and a party from earlier had done exactly what I feared i would have to do...they had chopped steps up the washed away bank and cut a path through the tams with some sort of knife (judging by chop marks vs. clean cut trees).

This incident made me realize that while the BK2 is a great camp knife for the mountains and even described by many as a survival knife, it would have been extremely exhausting work, if not impossible to get through those trees to saftey (trees were 15-50 yards deep) with it. I just can't see the BK2 having worked in any reasonable amount of time for what I needed it to do.

So the incident made me wonder...would a BK9 have saved my butt if I hadn't run into the previous party's work, or would I have needed something even bigger like a machette? WWBHD? (what would becker heads do?). I'm feeling like the BK2 would have left me up crap creek on this one.

To give you an idea of what I was dealing with, here is a snapshot of some tams on the river (now imagine this picture where the tams are at the top of a sheer 8+ft bank):
tamarisk-on-the-river-small.jpg
 
I dont think the bk2 would have performed poorly. Of course there are knives out there more suited for that task (knives like the bk9 or Junglas), but the BK2 doesnt claim to be the best at chopping. Its a jack-of-all, master-of-none type of blade. It really depends on what you want to carry. If you carry a 9, or other large chopper, you are going to want to carry a smaller blade for finer tasks. I dont think there are that many knives out there as versatile as the bk2 (besides the bk10). I think if you had anything other than a chainsaw, chopping those tams would have worn you out.
 
Having to get through that with a BK2 would have sucked dirty underwear. You COULD have done it, but an $8 Tramontina would have been better.

A 9 would have been a happy medium. A Kabar Grass Machete, Junglas, or Swabbie would have been the best for that situation.

Thats a tough spot to be in, glad ya'll made through. Does sound like fun though.......

Moose
 
you were way better off than the guy who only brought his mora. perhaps it is time to get a 9.
 
Well, really with something like a Mora or my BK2, getting through that, a club would be the first thing I found/made/cut. Trees that size woulde require about 4 licks each.

You might have to chop a few to get some footing, after that, I'm gonna baton down some trees.

Either way, use what you got, learn to use it EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY, and be safe while doing it.

Falling back in the water with a knife stuck in you would have made things worse.......

Moose
 
Although you could have used the knife as noted before its not really its intended use. I'm sure it would have been miserable getting through that stuff with it but it would have fared better than a folder.

Im am a machete fan and would suggest a 12'' Ontario, not as thick but its more versatile and very rugged. A bit longer but I bet it weighs in around the same as the Bk2.
 
Technique helps. Rather than chop through small trees/brush like that, it works better with a small knife if you can bend it to the ground and cut/baton at the bend point.
I agree that a Tramontina would have been your best bet. There's a solid reason machetes are plentiful in jungle locales.
 
Yeah, sounds like you picked a knife to cover 80% of your expected use cases and you got whacked with a 1% situation that you couldn't have predicted. If you'd been hauling a BK9 around and there was no storm you might be telling us you brought too much knife. It's hard to prepare for EVERY situation, and I bet that statistically you'll never encounter that level of WTF ever again in your lifetime. That being said, next time you could pack a BK-9 and a BK-10. :D
 
Do you canoe or kayak? In a kayak it's hard to beat the compact power of the BK9. If you've got all kinds of room, I'd think about a tram and/or a Wetterlings.
 
If space is an issue I would recommend a decent folding saw to pair with your favorite blade.
The Bahco Laplander works well for me.
That sounds like a hairy situation you were in. Glad you're OK.

If space isn't an issue: Stihl makes a fine chainsaw! :D

All joking aside, now that you can look back at the situation, what do you think you would have brought with you had you known what the situation would be?
 
Any machete would be your best option in that mess. Can a BK2 get through that, or even a 9? Sure, your a sore back and blisters from hunching over and whacking at branches too big to easily chop. Sometimes, (GASP), a Becker is not the right tool for the job.

BTW, glad you made it back safe. Those floods were wicked.
 
Any machete would be your best option in that mess. Can a BK2 get through that, or even a 9? Sure, your a sore back and blisters from hunching over and whacking at branches too big to easily chop. Sometimes, (GASP), a Becker is not the right tool for the job.

BTW, glad you made it back safe. Those floods were wicked.


Blasphemy. :eek:What about the BK6-Patrol Machete?:cool:
 
Yeah a good folding saw or machete (machax?) probably would've helped out more, especially when you felt you were under the gun to get the heck off the river. It sucks that you were misinformed by the weather service so badly. I agree with daizee; it's hard, if not impossible to pack for every conceivable situation you might encounter. I'm glad everything turned out ok for you, it sure must have been some tense moments on the water for a while!

I'm sure you've come to the realization (or more likely have already known, but now have been forcefully reminded) that there is no one all-encompassing survival knife/tool; it's all in the package or kit you put together. A good camp knife, paired with something larger - a saw, machete, hatchet - and maybe something smaller - folding knife, multitool, mora - is a much more complete package for facing any situation which may arise. Of course it all depends on how much you're willing to pack or carry with you. I freely admit that I don't always follow my advice, but in theory it makes perfect sense!

I've had similar "awakenings" during backpacking trips - like waking up to 3" of snow one time in July in the Rockies - which have refined my pack lists for the trips I take. You can now use this as a learning tool for further adventures. Happy paddling!
 
you were way better off than the guy who only brought his mora. perhaps it is time to get a 9.

hahahahaha, the other knife we had with us WAS a Mora

If space is an issue I would recommend a decent folding saw to pair with your favorite blade.
The Bahco Laplander works well for me.
All joking aside, now that you can look back at the situation, what do you think you would have brought with you had you known what the situation would be?

We actually had a silky folding saw with us...while it probably would have been faster than the bk2 on thick stuff, on stuff under 3" a good chopper would have been much more efficient. Having never used a BK9 to know how it chops through stuff like tams, I would have guessed a good machette would have best.

Oh, and we were in a canoe and it was on the Green River

Thanks for the replies guys! There are some great ideas in here....FWIW, the BK2 did awesome at opening pringles, cutting summer sausage and cheese LOL
 
Tough spot. Like it or not, we can't carry gear to cover ALL situations. Sounds like you did the best with what you had.
 
I keep a rusty as hell Tramontina in my car.

Rock on $8 machete with $9 worth of shipping........

Moose
 
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