Fehrman Extreme Judgment for survival use?

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Browsing survival training programs and found one that looked awesome. Dug a little deeper to see what the classes required, cost, etc. and found the guy recommending the Extreme judgment as a survival blade for people interested on taking the class.

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I just found it odd that a professional recommends such a big blade for a survival situation when their are other more bushcraft designated knives. You guys think this particular Fehrman is a good choice?
 
Maybe the guy suggests that knife cause of an association with that knifemaker and /or good experience with that knife.
It would be a great knife for survival, escpecially for shelter building and collecteing firewod, but then you will always have the small knife/big knife debate !
I'd "practice" survival with the knife I'm more likely to have on my person during regular outdoor activities.
If you don't mind packing something that large around with you, go for it.
 
Maybe if you are surviving a zombie apocalypse. Ferhaman makes great knives, not sure if that is the most practical though.
 
I have it and it is awesome. It would do just fine as a survival blade. I would pair it with a smaller blade.
 
Maybe the guy suggests that knife cause of an association with that knifemaker and /or good experience with that knife.
It would be a great knife for survival, escpecially for shelter building and collecteing firewod, but then you will always have the small knife/big knife debate !
I'd "practice" survival with the knife I'm more likely to have on my person during regular outdoor activities.
If you don't mind packing something that large around with you, go for it.

This is often the case. Nothing wrong with it, but many partner up with a knife maker(s) and use their experience to develop knives they prefer. Ron Hood was in the school of big knives for survival and his experience proved the usefulness. He also advocated always having a smaller utility blade. Ron used numerous large blades from Seigle, TOPS, Ferhman and the last before he passed, was the Buck Hoodlum. I’m not always a big knife guy, but all his tastes really appealed to me.

I have it and it is awesome. It would do just fine as a survival blade. I would pair it with a smaller blade.

I have a few Ferhman knives, including the Extreme Judgment and they are top notch. As big as this blade is, it feels pretty light. I didn’t think it chopped well for a large blade; at least not on larger wood. For limbs or saplings in the 2” range is was excellent. The slight recurve really helped with snap cutting. 3V can be made into a razor and if you learn how to handle a big blade, it can be used for small-knife chores. Still, add a Mora or other smaller fixed blade and it would be a great combo.

I know this is a thicker-styled, large knife, but it actually feels more like a short machete.

The biggest challenge with a large knife is carrying one. You need a comfortable enough sheath that you can do all the other “survival” tasks without it interfering. If the sheath isn’t comfortable, you won’t be carrying it. Additionally, you want a sheath that will keep the blade secure, yet is quick to access. I think many would prefer or desire a large chopper for various tasks, but many acknowledge that they are just too cumbersome to tote around.

If you can get into a course with an experienced outdoorsman with skills to use a large knife like the Ferhman, I think it would be a worthwhile experience. Even if you end up carrying a shorter blade, you’ll still have an understanding of that skill and know the limitations as well as the skills to compensate.

ROCK6
 
I think I would have struck unusually lucky to have one of those about me. I don't think that has anything to do with that knife in particular as such, I'd feel the same way if I had a billhook, or a Trailmaster, or that behemoth of a thing FourtyTwoBlades has been trying to get into production .etc. On balance of probability shelter and warmth are going to be right at the top of my priorities in a real deal situation, with water being next. Dirty great big lumps like this are ideal for that. It's all well and good having a more sophisticated tool that'll do more advanced stuff with aplomb, but quick and dirty routes to addressing what are likely to be the most pressing concerns that has the horse in the correct position relative to the cart win. On that, yeah, any hulking great big cutting thing wins, and that's a position I find unassailable.........................................The difficulty with that position is that it does not reflect my reality. In situations where I'm most likely to come unstuck I almost certainly wont have anything of that ilk with me, so to train for them I'd be loading up least useful things. I feel the same way about for example Moras too. It's all well and good to practice with one of those if you have one with you all the time but I don't. It's even more silly to expand on their virtues when combined with an axe and bow saw when I have those two items with me hardly ever...............................The key to unravelling this for me is brutal honesty with the self. The last time I had any concerns was in a sled being pulled across the pretty chilly by reindeer on holiday in Lapland. Aspects of the trip precluded me from having all my preferred gear. As far as cutting goes I had a SAK, a Victorinox fillet knife for fishing, and another fish knife but one big enough I could have cut snow blocks with it, and that's it. Best I be damn handy with those then......................... A couple of years before then was ballooning over the desert and pyramids in Egypt. I don't want to make unnecessary generalizations but there are a lot of dirty thieving ratbags there so I didn't have much kit. If the balloon had gone tits-up I had a long thin Phillips screwdriver, a pair of pliers, a lambsfoot slippy and whatever doodads are on my keyring, and not much else. Any practice I may have had with a big Fehrman, machete, or Khukri, would not have afforded me a direct advantage.................................By now, where I'm going with this should be obvious. The deficiencies of all these sorts of courses are going to be that they are money making machines that use a model of an average pleb as fuel. They can't hope to match discovery learning or even the next best thing to that, one to one tuition. They can only give you a gist. In order to do that you get the stock list; bring FB knife, bring change of socks, bring dog blanket, bring mug, and so on. For it to be more realistic for me I'd have to snub all those things because I'm not in the habit of walking around with them. I am in the habit of carrying a slippy of some sort and often a fully serrated Spyderco Police, so I'd be better off learning to be handy with those. Try showing up on a course with that pair though and see what faces they pull.
 
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On that, yeah, any hulking great big cutting thing wins, and that's a position I find unassailable.........................................The difficulty with that position is that it does not reflect my reality. In situations where I'm most likely to come unstuck I almost certainly wont have anything of that ilk with me, so to train for them I'd be loading up least useful things.

I think that's the reality for most of us unless we have the place and opportunity to plan ahead and take a large knife. Sure, it wins for most serious tasks when it comes to efficiency, but even I don't always pack a large blade along. They sure are fun to work with though! :D

ROCK6
 
I agree with Rock, it doesn't chop as well as my Busse B10. It could be for a number of reasons. Still it is one of my favorite knives and would trust it in a survival situation.
 
I agree with Rock, it doesn't chop as well as my Busse B10. It could be for a number of reasons. Still it is one of my favorite knives and would trust it in a survival situation.

What about edge retention compared to the busse?
 
I've given some thought to this too. Any survival-type kit I put together, and any items I might consider purchasing for it, have to have a scenario where they would be available to me when I'm really stuck.In most cases a large knife falls into the same category as sleeping bag, shelter, drinking water containers, gps, etc. Not something you carry on your person all the time, but maybe in your vehicle. I have a seven item kit like that in my truck whenever I'm in the back country, in case I get stuck in the snow or mud and have to walk out. It's all in a light backpack. Some would call that a bug out bag for SHTF scenarios. I think of it as a "walk out" bag.I think a large knife would definitely fit in a backpack-based survival kit stored in a vehicle. A little redundant when you already have shelter and insulation though.A situation where you would substitute a big knife instead of shelter and insulation? Maybe a type of vehicle where you can carry some weight but space is very limited, like snowmobile or ATV panniers? Saddlebags on a horse or motorcycle? Basically any type of vehicle you straddle instead of riding inside. If I were to pull the sleeping bag and bivy out of my kit and substitute a big knife instead, it would fit in a very small space. I think it would even fit even in the Topeak bag on the back of my mountain bike. So there's a practical application.
Same kind of page I think. There's very few instances where I'd pick a big knife over warm and waterproof kit. Swamp could make for a good exception, but even then it may well lose to a bug jacket plus blah. I've said before on this forum that I can think of a bunch of instances when building shelters that a humble gardener's rake would have served me better than a huge knife. Getting a bunch of wood together to build a frame is often the quick easy bit. Insulating and weatherproofing the brute is the bit that takes all the effort. Blade length can make that a bit quicker, like when gathering ferns, but not so much mass. And that brings us back to where we started: If you've got the right kit to begin with non of that is necessary. You could have selected the appropriate gear with the gift of forewarning just as easily as pick a hulking great chopper, and been better off as a consequence...............................I'm with you to some extent on the transport thing too. I think it is possible to find a tiny niche but you've got to really hunt for it, by which I mean you're probably playing and have stacked the deck in such a way as that niche can exist. If the transport is big enough I wouldn't be messing around with big survival knives, I'd have a whopper saw, a maul, and a big ole shovel, stuff like that. The big knife would most likely to some kitchen knife, 'cos that's really all it will get used for. I figure that's car camping.............................I can follow your reasoning to a point with smaller transports, probably about the same point as you. Context is everything. Go back in the time machine to when gear was wool and canvas and you probably would be better off strapping a chopper of some sort to one of these/url] if it was your “just in case” gear and was made from that. 1lb or so of knife, ax, machete vs the truly hideous. Not so much now though with all the options we have. With the performance we have available now it doesn't have to be hard to ensure you stay warm and dry from the outset. Suppose Gore-Tex and down and silnylon and paracord and all those good things grew on trees, one would still be a bit silly to take stuff to make gear from them when you needed it in preference to getting it right from the start. And again that brings us right back to forewarning and the role of the big phat survival knife that's probably sitting warm and cosy at home when you need it.....................I don't deny that playing around with big chopping tools is a huge amount of fun, but beyond the intrinsic entertainment value of that play I feel there should be some learning. Choppers aren't the best solution just because they are fun any more than lighting your home with candles is the best just because it can be romantic.
 
boy, you could buy 40 Mora knives for that price. ;)

The Extreme Judgement is, for me, just too damn big for a 'survival' knife. I can do virtually everything needed with a 4 inch blade. That said, it sure is purty!!!!! Fehrhman makes wonderful blades.
 
To me, it depends on what sort of survival situation you're trying to prepare for.

If it's a "hike-turned-survival" situation, then I prefer a bigger blade. I probably have at least a small day pack on me, so it can go in there and not alarm any other hikers.

If it's a "car went into a river" scenario, then obviously you need something that you would be carrying on you, which won't be a big blade for most people.

Another big question to me: what tasks are you expecting your knife to perform?
 
I'd probably choose a Fehrman First Strike over the EJ. I don't like sharpening recurves. Fehrman does a great job with their knives, and the 3V steel is very good for a wide range of survival applications.
 
There is always debate on what is the best size range (lenght of blade), i.e., 4", 5-6" 7-9" and so on. In my opinion its a matter of personal taste, everybody has an opinion. There is a role for a short blade and long. I prefer a long blade for survival 7'" or ore, ie., the Busee NMFSH or a BK 9. I do like a short blade fo company because of its utility of use. In reference to the Fehrman, is an excellent knife and I like the size of it. I prefer the large blades because of its ability to do big things, like wood preparation for fire. It takes less energy. But every size has its benefits and limitations.
 
On a day hike, if I get lost or misjudge the remaining daylight, my plan is not to build a fire and shelter and spend the night. I would put on my 7.2 oz UL down vest + shell, and walk out with my 4.4 oz GPS and my 3.0 oz flashlight. Total is 14.6 oz, so I'm under the weight of the suggested knife, and I don't have to spend the night. Also the vest and shell are useful for comfort any time during the day. Compressible ultralight clothing that weighs a few ounces and fits in the palm of your hand so you can always have it with you on a hike is very underrated as "survival" gear, IMHO.

You bring up a great point. I don't always pack a large blade unless I'm specifically going to use one. I think it's more of a preference than a necessity. Sometimes, you have to evaluate necessity and weight. For some, a big blade is an often-used tool, for others, it's just added weight in the pack that never gets used. Big knives have their place and purpose, but as I mentioned, unless you always plan on packing one and dedicate the time to train with them, they won't always be available when you really need it.

ROCK6
 
ThiftyJoe said:
I thought about adding day hiking with a small pack to my list of space-constrained survival scenarios. I don't think I would tolerate the weight on a day hike though. I think I would rather carry extra water. YMMV. The manufacturer of the OP's suggested knife doesn't give the weight, but a BK9 is just over a pound and it's about the same size.

Good point. I carry a CS Bushman in my daypack. It's cheap and only about 10 oz. I also am not much of an "oz counter". I know I'll probably stop at some point on my hike and at least get the knife out and whittle a stick for a bit or something while I rest, so it's along for enjoyment as much as anything.

ThriftyJoe said:
On a day hike, if I get lost or misjudge the remaining daylight, my plan is not to build a fire and shelter and spend the night. I would put on my 7.2 oz UL down vest + shell, and walk out with my 4.4 oz GPS and my 3.0 oz flashlight. Total is 14.6 oz, so I'm under the weight of the suggested knife, and I don't have to spend the night. Also the vest and shell are useful for comfort any time during the day. Compressible ultralight clothing that weighs a few ounces and fits in the palm of your hand so you can always have it with you on a hike is very underrated as "survival" gear, IMHO.

I can't argue with any of that. :) I've never made it my plan to stop and build a shelter and fire, and I've never had to. I also carry some extra clothes and a flashlight, but I haven't picked up a good hiking GPS yet. Clothing is definitely underrated as survival gear.

ThriftyJoe said:
You might ask "what if you're too injured to walk out?" That does happen: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/29...e-utah-desert/ I'll bet Ms. Grover would have picked a 5.2 oz SPOT transmitter over a big knife, if she had the choice. Also a very narrow range of hypothetical injuries are needed to create a scenario where you are too injured to walk out, but still able bodied enough to use a big knife to build a fire and shelter.

Very good point.
 
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