Fiddleback knives - Users versus collector?

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So I'm on the cusp of getting my first one here, my question is this, Is there a configuration of handle scale material that would hold up better being used for battoning than others. Im assuming the scales are being epoxied on and I see there are multiple pins in most of these. I guess I wanna know from you folks who used them and how hard do you use them?
 
Well, I suck at video but...

I haven't been quite as hard on the wooden handled one as I have the micarta handled ones, but I've never felt like I needed to be gentle with them.

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I used my Hiking Buddy for an in-depth tutorial on making and using a bow drill for some close friends in the UK. This little knife is a great size for working with, big enough to get the job done and small enough not to be fatiguing to the hand, with excellent ergonomics.

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Then it was time for the bearing block and hearth. So, using a baton I first truncated a limb about 2 inches in diameter once for the hearth.

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and once more for a bearing block.

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Now on to cleaning up the limb for the hearth board and splitting it. The great edge on this knife sheered cleanly through a couple of knots with no trouble at all.

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And on to the bearing block.

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So, all parts made, on to burning in the socket….and that’s about as far as I got before my eye started bugging me again. So…hopefully a coal tomorrow.

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Once you have your hearth-board split down to shape, size and thickness, and the divot for the socket started then the next step is burning the socket in. The first thing to do is find a leaf to collect the coal on. Then place the hearth-board on the ground, place your left foot (if you are right-handed) on the hearth board just to the left of the divot, kneel on your right knee and string the spindle. To string the spindle I hold one end of the bow against your body at the waist, and apply pressure on the far end to compress the bow and create slack in the string. Then I insert the spindle, upper (bearing) end first, between the bow and string, pull it against the string and twist. Then holding the spindle and string simultaneously I let the handle end of the bow lay on the ground as I place the tip of the spindle in the divot on the heart. Next I, holding the bearing block in my left hand I hook the left wrist around the left knee and place the bearing block on the spindle

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Then holding the wrist tight against the knee (or shin depending on the length of spindle) for stability, and applying a bit of downward pressure on the spindle (which needs to be as perpendicular to the heart-board as possible), I pick up the handle end of the bow and start a push-pull motion which turns the spindle. This needs to be done with a fair amount of speed in order to produce the friction needed to burn in the socket. You should see a good amount of smoke if you are doing this right.

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You should get a nice ring of charred dust around the socket once burned in. Do not throw this away, save it on that leaf you will collect your coal on.

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Next it is time for the critical step of making the notch. The notch is a triangle that goes from a point at the center of the socket to the outer edge of the board. The general rule of thumb is that the width of the notch needs to be roughly one-eighth of the diameter of the spindle at the point where it passes through the edge of the socket. The reason is that much wider and it gets a lot of oxygen but not enough heat build up, and much narrower and it gets plenty of heat but not enough oxygen. One way to lay this notch out is to use the tip of your knife to “cut” the socket into quarters, then into eighths, and then into sixteenths just where you want the notch to be placed and cut along to two lines that form the triangle ignoring the center line.

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Once the notch is marked I general use a small limb as a baton and drive the knife edge gently, using light taps, along the line a bit. Don’t try to go all the way at one time. Then along the other line, and then I’ll diagonal from the outer edge of one line to the depth of cut on the other removing material and repeat in the other direction. Once I have the bulk of the material in the notch removed this way I will whittle out the rest removing little bits of wood at a time until I have a clean notch.

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Now comes making a coal, and this is where that saved dust comes into play. Set the hearth-board down on the leaf and push the saved dust into the notch. Resume the position used to burn in the socket and repeat the same actions. You want to take care that your push-pull motion is not directly in line with the notch as that is the weakest point of the socket and pressure in that direction will cause the socket to wallow out. You want to push and pull at solid walls of the socket to keep the socket circular and concentrate heat in a smaller area. Start out slow at fist applying a good bit of pressure because you need to create more dust before you really start building your heat. The dust is what makes the coal once enough builds in the notch and the spindle tip reaches a high enough temperature, roughly 800 degrees. Once you see smoke start increase the speed of the drilling motion as much as you can and maintain for around 20 to 30 seconds. You should see a lot of smoke at this point. Take care when you stop and do not let the spindle bump the dust pile, just stop, lay the handle end of the bow on the ground and use both hands to move the spindle. Use your hand to fan some air at the notch and if you see curls of smoke afterwards you have gotten a coal.

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Lightly fan a little more air at the notch and let the coal burn till you see it forming good by the ashes building up at the tip of the ember. This only takes a few seconds

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Once the coal is established tap the board gently by the notch and remove the board. If the coal tries to move with the board use the tip of a knife or a small twig to hold the coal in place.

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Next you simply place the ember into a tinder nest, here I used cedar bark which burns slower than dry grass, and blow. Blow gently at first and then with more force as the smoke starts. You should get a lot of smoke so turn your head to inhale so that you do not inhale the smoke, go into a coughing fit, and lose the ember. It doesn’t take long to blow a dry tinder nest into the first flames.

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Holding the tinder nest down with your kindling while you blow, once you get it smoking good, will ignite your kindling.





Then I used another one of Andy's knives in an in depth write-up on processing and using fatwood for a book I collaborated on with those same friends. I have no problems at all with using my Fiddlebacks.

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I have several Woodsmans some in wood,one in micarta and the wood ones need to be wiped down with mineral oil every once in awhile to keep from drying out.The micarta will have a better grip when your hands get wet and Andy mostly uses 01 so the steel needs to be wiped down with oil when not in use.Andy's knives like to used as knives and not as pry bars,batton away,do not flex side to side and you will have a lifetime of enjoyment.
Thanks,
Michael
 
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I have several Woodsmans

Lucky man, I'm thinking a Woodsman is in the future. If I had the funds the one from the last Batch would be in the mail now. At this point it will probably be after the first of the year before I can safely afford another one.
 
Michael is a true user too. I like seeing the knives he brings back around to show. They show use, and a keen sharp edge being maintained. Thats my favorite way to see my knives, used.

Guys, not only do Dylan and I test these knives brutally, I mean brutally, but I also guarantee the tool pretty darn well also. This is because I want you to USE the knives. It has been said that life is too short to carry an ugly knife, so find one that speaks to you, and cut stuff with it! I am a toolmaker first, and just love a good handle.

01, is not just some steel. Remember this story? http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/809395-A-letter-to-Andy?highlight=kitten

Now, I do require you use common sense and use the tool for its intended function. Kitchen knives, and skinners are not batonnable tools, obviously. And IMO, no knife should be used as a prybar. I make cutting tools for most applications. Choppers should chop, slicers should slice. Bushcrafters should take proper batonning.
 
Here is my thoughts. Andy doesn't make the kind of knives that are collectors. Andy, I hope you don't take this wrong, because it is meant as a compliment. Certainly you could collect Andy's knives - but Andy doesn't make the types of knives meant to be collected. If you look at his handle, knife, and fitment selections - they are not of the type of stuff that people would collect. Check this SAK out:

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it is a 70,000 dollar SAK. THAT is collectable.

Andy selects hard woods, working steels, and fitments that are meant to be used. I would sell any knife I owned of Andy's that I did not expect to get dirt time.

So - my point is - buy anything Andy sells - I think they will work fine. If you want to buy something that is a little more bomb proof - buy a Micarta or G-10 scales knife in a super steel. But honestly, I have one of his 01 knives with Osage orange scales - and have used the hell out of it. It is in great shape.

I think you buy what you think looks cool and use it like you stole it.

TF
 
Good points, I've bought 6 knives from a certain manufacturer and 3 of the 6 have the handle scales separating from the tang, so hence the question. As far as Battoning goes, I'm fairly smart about it, No knots, no frozen wood unless an emergency. I'm selling a few safe queens on an auction site so I see a couple of fiddlebacks in my future.
 
Fill the gap with superglue, sand it down and keep using those tools. Wood scales are prone to this more than synthetics.
Hell, I had micarta do this once when flying to and from a show in Las Vegas. It could mean the scales weren't flattened properly, or it could simply be environment. I've never seen a hundred year old knife with no separations. Fix em and move on.
 
Only thing that I would add is that it's a BEAUTIFUL blade as well. Andy's choice of materials is top notch, with spalted steel, dyed box elder scales, and black bolsters....... Its a workhorse and easy on the eyes as well. Larry
 
I just took my hiking buddy up on a 12 day trip into the woods hunting for bear and white tail. I used that little knife for everything from fuzz sticks to field dressing and skinning a couple of bucks. It rained or snowed on us for 12 days straight. Other than rust from sitting in a soaking wet sheath, the knife is good to go. I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to order a new sheath however. :)

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Used Andy's Nessmuk to skin and butcher a deer this weekend and it worked like a dream. I didn't use it last year because I was concerned with keeping it pretty. I came to the realization that the knife was a damn fine looking knife but even better functionally so broke it out on a buddy's deer yesterday. My only regret is not using this blade earlier, WOW it was sweet! Don't safe queen them, use them for what they were intended. Thanks Andy!
 
So far I've only seen Andy make one safe queen (unintentionally I'm sure), and that was s2f's scandi Hunter. That thing is beyond gorgeous and is the only knife I've seen that Andy made that I would not use. The rest are really good looking working blades that I love using b/c everytime I pull one of em out and someone new sees it I have to tell em who made it and the whole story.
 
Those bucks are awesome!! I've never killed one that size!
 
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