Final Production Run Cerfake-i-cates.......

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Larry303

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Does anyone ever question these Schmuck Sellers who supposedly have Final Production Run' Cerfake-i-cates of Audacity' for Schrades that actually ceased production years before closure?....
Codger, are you aware of say Mint LB5 Smokey's that ended production in 2001 suddenly being produced again in those last desperate days?......or.....shizzaammmm...do some sellers tell blatant unmitigated lies on the popular auction site?...I guess they help join Smuck sellers with equally Schmuck buyers....sheeesh!...Hoo Roo
 
Question it? I regard it about as much as "grinder marks" in a knife description.
 
Well, it did take some years for them to scrape the bottom of the barrels to assemble these junk blades. Imagine the Asian factories scrambling to figure out how to stick them together. Wait til they get to the knives with Swinden key construction. Even Camillus didn't have that tooling. A LB-5 with microserrations! Who woulda thunk it!
 
You guys got a link to an ended auction as an example? I don't follow the LB knife models closely, but I'm always interested in seeing what became of the extra parts and materials from the Schrade factory.

IMO, it's going to become very difficult to distinguish the true "end of days" knives that were made in the Schrade factory by Schrade employees, from the post-2004 assemblies.
 
I wonder what happened to the Swinden key machinery. But more than that, I wonder what happened to the jigging machinery that was used back in the 30's, 40's, and 50's. I saw a really tiny drawing of one of those machines on a thread in a forum a year or two or three ago, but it was so little and blurry I have no idea how it worked. Now wouldn't that be something to see? Sorry; I know I just hijacked this thread, but my brain took off on a tangent and I followed right behind. As my punishment, I will be working tomorrow while you all are scarfing beer and wings and watching something besides your 'puters.
 
What with these certificates and SMKW's famous "warehouse finds" That's what started the whole, is it, or is it not a genuine Schrade USA knife, which has been, and will be the question asked as long as these items keep surfacing.:barf:

Russell
 
The seller on that one accepts no questions from me...dont know if its the same for everyone..cant see how Ebay allow sellers NOT to accept questions regarding listings...
Have you ever seen worse grind marks on a supposed mint knife...? I dont understand how these blokes can sleep at night...I guess its all about the money..game..set and match...the hapless buyer doesnt even come into their considerations...Hoo Roo
 
Look the other way and hummmm... while I write this quickly 200707294509.

PS. Final production Run Certificates refer to Final Manufacture/production run prior to factory closure,nothing to do with flogging those things found in the bins and regalia since added....
 
Larry303 said:
Does anyone ever question these Schmuck Sellers who supposedly have Final Production Run' Cerfake-i-cates of Audacity' for Schrades that actually ceased production years before closure?....
Codger, are you aware of say Mint LB5 Smokey's that ended production in 2001 suddenly being produced again in those last desperate days?......or.....shizzaammmm...do some sellers tell blatant unmitigated lies on the popular auction site?...I guess they help join Smuck sellers with equally Schmuck buyers....sheeesh!...Hoo Roo
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Larry only yesterday we were talking about my “$20 Genuine GOLD coloured Rolex”.

Now it’s the “Genuine Final Production Certificates”.
A seller in the US sent me a book of about 200 of them highly prised Certificates.
I have a nice "Genuine Schrade D’holder made in China" I could sell for $30 NIB with all the paperwork, made on the "Last Day?"
I will also supply one of my “Genuine Schrade Final Production Certificates”. Ken

That seller is also listing Postage to Australia of $25 - He could post a car for that.
 
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Look the other way and hummmm... while I write this quickly...
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Thanks Larry. Now I can follow the conversation.

PS. Final production Run Certificates refer to Final Manufacture/production run prior to factory closure,nothing to do with flogging those things found in the bins and regalia since added....
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Yeah, I've got a pile of those myself, mostly from the 2004 closeouts.
 
Hope he's not washed away, choking on smoke, or being eaten by snakes.
Last time I was down under it was brushfires everywhere. The time before that was official government snake warnings. And now I see flooding on the t.v. Sheesh, the States are so boring.
 
That seller is one of the very worst at obvious deception. If someone buys some of his listings, I'd be concerned of toys in the attic.
 
as a general rule now, me, i just consider them fake when they use the ole Final Production Run Certificate ruse.
 
I really wouldn't mind buying some of the post-factory assemblies. They are made with genuine Schrade blades and other parts after all, and some of the handle materials being offered are actually more interesting than the originals - the walnut Sharpfingers for example.

But what gets me is there's no permanent way to distinguish between originals, end-of-days knives made in the Schrade factory from mixed parts and nonstandard materials, and the current post-factory assembly 'kit' knives.

It's going to be especially difficult in the future for new collectors and as our memories dim. Is anyone by chance keeping track of the model variations and their origins?

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For example, this 14OT was an end-of-days knife made in the Schrade factory with wooden handles, perhaps originally intended as a Ducks Unlimited knife but never finished with the markings or shield, or it could simply have been old blades fitted with handles from wood they had laying around.
But if I were to try to sell it now, would you guys think it was a post-factory assembly? Could you tell the difference? Would it even matter?

Just wondering, and wondering how other collectors feel.
 
Walnut?....its stained Pakkawood....could just as easily be baby poo brown......and smell similar....
I had the same 14OT and got rid of it..it was genuine from the clearance sale...I still have the genuine <and used to be rare> timber handled 147OT Pro Fisherman and the 140OT Trail Boss from the clearance sale..now worth squat just like the clone knives.....at least mine had the correct heat treatments etc as they were finished knives unlike those things found in a bucket.....and given artificial resuscitation.....I can tell the difference....the Certificates issued at the time by Smokey and Blue Ridge and signed by both certifying they came from the Wall collection or Factory sale 'used' to mean something because they were contemporary. <I have them for the Conference Room 3OT,2OT, LB2 and a few others and they were listed in the Schrade Inventory which never made the auction sale when Smokey and Blue Ridge bought the lot>.....unlike those grey bits of arse wipes.....Hoo Roo
PS...those PHI and PH2's now appearing as genuine with wood micarta ? etc actually have chinese cross guard/bolster,chinese rivets.chinese reconstituted cardboard sheath,chinese fitted pakkawood...and they are sold as genuine pre 2004...and those blanks may not have even been heat treated....I have a PH1 blank from the factory sale unfinished and it certainly didnt have the edge or the treatments.....Bob you would consider actually buying one of those things ?.it would surely be out of some morbid curiousity?......Hoo Roo
 
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Walnut?....its stained Pakkawood....could just as easily be baby poo brown......and smell similar....
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LOL. I saw a closeup picture of one today, and yes it's a black-stained plywood not real wood. Yuck.

As always Larry, I sure appreciate your thoughts and insight.
 
Why would anyone even want something like THAT thing, whether it was made in the factory or not?!? Where's the brass guard? the covers aren't even finished to the blade, they just end. What'd the security guard put that together? I'd rather spend my hard earned money on something that I know is legit, and that means staying away from anything with an end of days "Final Production Run" rag attached to it. Read the knife, at this point it's pretty obvious what Schrade did and didn't use for cover material, and what etches, shields, etc belong with them.

Eric
 
It's not a normal production, that's for sure. :)

My opinion is that it was produced in Schrade factory by Schrade employees in the final weeks before closing.
* The box is hot-marked "14OT - W". Your factory photos here provide the clue to this stamping method. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...itage-Old-Timers?highlight=heritage+old+timer
(I've also come to believe the "Heritage Old Timers" are also end-of-days knives assembled in the Schrade factory.
* I purchased the knife in 2005, at the same time that other factory items and end-of-days knives were hitting the market in large numbers, and long before the post-closure knives started appearing.

Where's the brass guard?
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Beats the heck out me where they even scrounged the blade from. Keep in mind that the 14OT hadn't seen regular production since 1981. So the chances of it being fitted to an original handle and bolster twenty years later were probably very slim.

Personally, I find the "end of days" knives fascinating.

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