Finger Twirls and Legal Advice

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Lundo

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Hi,

I have been going thourgh Jeff's video, and can't even begin to figure out how he does the moves with finger twirls. Can anybody give me some advice?

Also, and I am TOTALLY serious here, I need some legal advice from an attorney or LEO, and quick.

I have been sent a paper telling me that I have a support hearing to goto on April 3. I did nothing about this, and never got an attorney. On Friday, I tried to obtain legal assistance, but everybody wants at least $400.00 just to help. I don't have the money. I did get 30 minutes of legal consultation for $20.00, and from this I learned that I should NOT go to this hearing without legal representation. Well, I don't have any, and so I'm not going. From what I understand, there "may" be a bench warrant issued for my arrest. What does this mean?

The way I figure it, on Tuesday, the police are going to come to my office, cuff and arrest me, and take me to jail. I am hosed!!! I don't even know what to do. If they come and arrest me at work, I'm gonna lose my job, and then I've lost everything.

Can some of you, in the know, who have gone through divorce/support... stuff first hand please give me some advice.

Is the city so hell bent on this kinda stuff that they would actually waste time and money putting me in jail over nonsense?

Thanks guys,



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Lundo
 
Do a basic horizontal opening, when the blade ricochets for the last time before opening tuck your middle, ring, and pinkie fingers and place them on the other side of the handle, twirl the handle between each finger, if you know what I'm saying than you can figure out when to stop the twirl and go in the reverse direction. Go to Clay's site:

www.balisongxtreme.com

and he explains it well.

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Cameron

"And shepards we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, so we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be, En Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti"
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Oh, BTW, I have no clue about legal advice, otherwise I would have given it. Does this have anything to do with your divorce? (you said that you were having a divorce in an earlier post)

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Cameron

"And shepards we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, so we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be, En Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti"
A few of my balisongs
My Photopoint album
 
What are they going to arrest you for?

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I have a sword in my pocket!
 
Have you been paying your child support? Is so then the hearing is probably that your ex wants more money. If you don't show up, you go to jail. If you do show up at least you have a slim chance. I do not recommend not going. If they do arrest you (some states are harsher than others) then it will cost you more than $400 to get out, pay your fees, court costs, etc. And to top it off you'll have an arrest record.

Just keep in mind, you can't pay what you don't have. Make the judge aware of your living costs and your current salary. It's possible that even without an attorney he'll realize that you are paying what you can.

You cannot get blood from a stone. But a stone can be arrested for not going to court.
 
Here is how it stands.

First off, my wife always told me she would NOT rape me for child support; that she is just not like that.

I got "support" papers in the mail, and there were absolutely NO figures filled in, meaning to me she is asking for no support.

Now, don't get me wrong, I will and would give my 2 kids anything, but, to be totally honest, since we separated and I am on my own in an apartment, I have absolutely NO extra cash whatsoever. So, if she is not gonna ask for any, that is great. But, the "legalaties" of the situation dictate that there is a support hearing in family court, even if she is not asking for anything.

I blew this off WAY too long, and I waited until last Friday before I did anything. Well, any lawer I found wanted at LEAST $400.00 to go to this hearing with me!!! What f*cking scumbags!!! I don't have this kind of money laying around, and even if I did, I don't see how it is worth it here.

So, the paper I sent said that if I do not appear for this hearing, there will be a bench warrant issued for my arrest.

So guys, looks like I goin to jail. How much more can she f*ck up my life. I haven't seen or talked to my kids since 1/15, I have no spending money, now I going to jail, which will probably mean I will lose my job, and not be able to live anyway.

I hate to vent on you guys, but at this point I don't know where to turn. I haven't even eaten in 3 days.

Well, talk to you later.



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Lundo
 
Go to the hearing, but go alone. Dress respectfully. Bring only the letter. Tell the judge that you just found out about this hearing a few days ago, that it came as a complete surprise to you, that you have no idea what this hearing is about, that you are totally unprepared, and that you have been unable to secure a lawyer at a price you can afford on such sort notice. Under such circumstances, the judge should reschedule the hearing. If the judge decided to proceed, then just sit quitely and let it happen. If you're asked any questions, preface your answer with, "I wish I had had an opportunity to have a lawyer explain all of this to me and I wish that I had a lawyer here to represent me now since I really don't know how to answer your question Right now, the best answer I can give you is... " Then be very vauge, say, "I don't know", or "I haven't got that information with me," or "well, I might be able to remember, but I know that I have that information in my files at home. I wish I would have known what this hearing would be about and had hand an opportunity to prepare. I'd hate to give you an 'off-the-cuff' answer since it might turn out to be wrong. I'm just going to have to say that I'm unprepared to answer that question at this time." Later, when you get a lawyer, he'll have no problem undoing whatever might be done at that hearing if the record clearly shows that you told the judge that you received inadequate notice of the hearing, that you were unprepared, did not have a lawyer, and obviously didn't know what was happening or understand it. Even if you know the answer exactly, say, "I wish I would have had an opportunity to look that up before hand to be sure that I give the court correct information." Work in "I wish I had received more notice about this hearing", "I don't understand this hearing," and "I wish I had been given enough time to consult with a lawyer" as often as you can. You may get tired of sounding like a broken record, but the record is exactly what we're talking about here.

As for the finger twirls, one of my "bread-and-butter" moves, finger dextarity is the key. Work on Clay's exercises.

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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
 
Best bet,go to court even if you don't have a legal representative.You don't want to lose your job or anything else because you had to go to jail.At least if you show up,there's a chance that you'll be able to get things worked out without losing your patookis in the process.
Besides,if the judge finds that there is no way that you could afford a representative,and that you're doing what you can,he'll probably let things slide.Chances are,either she changed her mind,or the court wants to make sure that you're both agreed on the terms of the divorce & child support issues.
Better to go and face the frying pan,than skip out and find yourself directly in the fire.


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*The* Lunatic Puppy
It wasn't me...It was my *good* twin..
My "inner puppy" made me do it..
 
At the risk of sounding like a jacka$$, this wasn't an April fools prank, was it? :| If not, man im really sorry about your situation. The best thing to do is just go and be done with it. If you got any expensive knives, now's the time to sell em
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~Howdy

"Wow, BOB, Wow!" - the Arm
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If it's anything like the NJ support laws, here's whats going to happen:

You are going to be there (with or without representation) the state will be representing her. She will most likely be there.

OK, here is the method that they use to decide the support amount.

First, they do the following:
your income X her income = X (100%)

Then, they have a chart of how much it costs the average family (with a total income of the above figure), per week, to support a child (broken up into age categories).

For example:

You make $800 per week, she makes $200 per week. The average family making $1,000 per week pays $200 per week to support a child age 16. (per the states income-vs-support chart)

What this means is, if she has custody of the children, you have to pay her whatever your percentage is (of the whole income, in this case 80%) of that $200 weekly.


Things to note:

~ This is a fixed formula. Your bills mean nothing to them, so don't even bother bringing it up. Losses do count however (do you own a business??).

~ You don't necessarily have to pay the full amount. She actually decides whether you have to or not...... so be nice to her. You might be able to work something out with her before you go inside.

~ If you don't show up, they will hit you for the maximum amount. They won't come and arrest you yet. You'll fall way behind in your support (because you don't know, because you weren't there).

THEN they'll come and get you. After you bail yourself out, you'll have another trial at which time you'll realize you should have gone to the first one. You'll have your wages garnished, and since you're so far behind they'll take $50 extra every week until you're caught up. They'll intercept your tax return (and any other Government money owed you), and generally make your life CRAP.

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Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I have gone through enough support hearings to know. Show up, be nice, look nice, and don't whine. If you don't like the outcome, you can appeal it......... but that's another expenditure you probably can't afford. So do it right the first time.




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Clay
www.balisongxtreme.com
Because......
getting 'em open
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Guys,

Thanks for all of the advice. Today was the day. I was going to just not show, but at the last minute I decided I'd better get my as* over to the courthouse.

This was the first time I have seen my wife in almost 80 days. She looked fabulous, at least to me.

Things went pretty much by the book, and we sat with a family counseler for about an hour. I had ALL of my monthly expenses listed on a sheet of paper, as well as W-2's and pay stubs. My wife makes more than me. Well, good for her, more power to her. But they have this screwed up computer program that, when all numbers are punched in, it left an amount of $746.00. I thought, great, that is about sixty bucks a month.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is $746.00 per month. Therefore, they will be taking about 400 dollars out of every one of my pays, and I, and I am very serious here, barely scrape by on my own. I am totally f****d.

But, to top it off, my wife was so nice. She said we could work out some arrangement with her attorney (I don't have one because I can't afford one), where I don't have to pay that much. Tears welled up in my head, and I couldn't even speak. Even when she wanted to say something to me, I just told her to stop, don't say anything. You see, I still love my wife, and there is nothing I wouldn't do to get her back.

I really completely feel like sh*t, and all I can think of are thoughts of suicide.

I know there is nothing you guys can say that is gonna fix this can of worms, but, if you have been there, and done that, let me know, because war stories will help.

I don't know how long I can last. There are a lot of nice bridges in Pittsburgh, and I just might find me one of them soon.

Sorry for venting.


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Lundo
 
Don't let it get to you lad.I've seen many people go thru this and worse without giving up.
There's always things that you can do to keep up on what the court says you need to pay.You just need to look at *all* the possible options before even thinking about giving up.
Life is a precious thing,especially when one has children.You will be needed by your offspring in the future,so stick around.You'll be glad you did.
I have found that in most cases,the answer to problems are usually very simple,and always in the place where you'd least expect to find them.So take a look around
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If you really need to talk,you can always send me e-mail (since a long distance phone call would be outrageous).I am an ordained minister,and I just might be able to help in some way.I can be reached at: MacCanine@yahoo.com



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*The* Lunatic Puppy
It wasn't me...It was my *good* twin..
My "inner puppy" made me do it..
 
No matter what your situation is, remember that we are all here for you. That figure seems quite high to me since I only make around $9 an hour after takes. That figure is more than half of my salary.

I don't understand why you would have to pay such a large sum if your wife makes more $$ than you do. I mean, how much does it really cost to keep a kid in good shape each month. There is no way I could see a child costing even your portion in a month. You may want to invest in an attorney to take a look at the figures.

At least your ex is still on very good terms with you. She is still your friend obviously and she seems very willing to help you out.

Please feel free to contact me if you want to talk or need someone to talk at.

Mark
 
I like butterfly knives!

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I kept asking..."why me, why me"? Then an elderly lady held me by the hand after a sixteen hour trama and in a weak voice she said " Lord, thank you for him"!

Caregiving is a devine honor!
Sabo 29
"Catch you on the flip side"!
 
So do I Sabo. So do I.

And Lundo, if I were in your situation I'd move to a nice quiet hill in Ireland, change my name to Angus McCloud, and get a job in town as a bartender. That's probably not for everybody though.
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I don't know you that well Lundo, but I can empathize with your situation. That's a whole lot of money to be shelling out. All I can really say is that during the most difficult times of my life (including situations similar to your own), I never thought that they would ever end. But, dispite my lack of hope, things got better. You sometimes can't stop situations like this, and you have to grin and bare them. But you also can't stop the passage of time, which will eventually "heal all wounds" as they say. Well, that's my 2 cents... take it or leave it. I wish you the best.

~Dave
 
Fellas, (especially Blasto)

They do say time heals all wounds, but I know for a fact that in some cases, with some people, that is just not true.

Did you ever see, or hear, of a badger fight? The badger is probably one of the most viscious, tenacious fighters in the animal kingdom. Even if his oponent, and especially so, is much bigger/stronger than he, he will not quit.

That is how I look at my marriage. I chose this woman, for better or worse, in sickness and in health, and I am NOT letting go.

I was so inconsolible after the 2 hearings we had, that I couldn't even talk, not even to her. I just wanted to burst forth in tears.

If they want to rape me for child support, which I KNOW I cannot afford, and still be able to live, then so be it. My wife said to me after the second hearing, "Well, if you can't afford an attorney, then I will have mine talk to you, and there are several options on how we can work this out.

I couldn't even look at her. I can only imagine what these "options" are. The sooner I sign the divorce papers, the less money I will have to pay. Well, I ain't doin it!!

I am still so sad/mad/inconsilible, that I didn't even go to work yesterday. I just stayed in bed all day. But I am at work now, and will be checking the board.

I'll be honest with you guys. I'm a lot like the badger, and I really do think that I would rather die than have everything that I hold dear taken away from me.

Thanks for caring,



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Lundo
 
Mr Howdy,

I know you are just chiming in, and that is great, that is what makes internet boards so much fun; the diversity of the people making contributions.

I assure you, this is no April Fool's joke. I couldn't even wish my situation on my worst enemy! I do have a deep ability to hate someone that I perceive as bad, but, I don't think I could even wish this on him.

I am not flaming, it's just that, my posts have been, and hopefully will always be, completely full of sincerety.

Thanks,



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Lundo
 
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