Fire Kit Testing

Mistwalker

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A recent thread on fire steels and fire kits made me think of a few things. First it reminded me of a gravel bar I like to go to on the side of the river here that has a large dead tree on one end. The tree is a very hard seasoned hardwood...red oak I think..., and it hasn't rained in a few days, so there the similarities in the gravel bars end. Second it reminded me that I had yet to test the tinder quick, that I had put in a backup fire kit back in the summer, under any adverse conditions. Third it made me think of a good opportunity to put a knew knife, chosen with just such types of thoughts in mind, through some paces.




The gravel bar.

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Fire kit and the knife. The fire kit is just an ESEE advanced fire kit with some tinder quick, four life boat matches, and a red phos striker strip. The knife is a Yuma model by T.M. Hunt with specific features of the design that really appeal to me in my styles of knife use.

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So, to put the knife through some paces I decided to get all of my tinder and initial fire wood only from the large dead tree. The first go at it was in truncating the shorter limb. Even with a very sharp edge the hard wood was not easily cut, it took a couple of minutes just to get into it good. I knew the ten minute time frame mentioned in the earlier thread would be at best difficult to achieve, but this was definitely not going to be the best approach for speed. The intent was to chisel in so far and break the limb, I couldn't break it with all of my weight at this point, and I'm not exactly small.

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So I opted instead to attack sections of the tree already weakened by the fall and over time. I batonned the knife along the grain of an existing split in the wood, and then drove the knife through another section of the split in the tree and levered pieces off of it.

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Then I broke off branches I could split or burn in-two.

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To make the situation “more adverse” for the tests I through the wood in a shallow pool of water for a while and just enjoyed the view and the quiet autumn evening for a while.

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Soon I had a pile of wet wood, a setting sun, and a soon setting sliver of moon promising a darkened night. Time to turn the pile of wet wood into kindling, fuel, and flames.

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The tinder quick is pretty small, each one is supposed to burn 2 to 3 minutes. As per directions, fuzzing the end up makes them catch sparks better.

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With a burn time of only 3 minutes I wanted some of my kindling close at hand upon ignition. A couple of scrapes of the ferro rod and ignition.

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The flames picked up and it seemed the tinder quick was going to work out ok in this scenario, that was not the case.

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A slight round of my impatience and two life boat matches later, the second of which (perhaps used prematurely) can be seen finishing up in the closeup, and I had actual wood burning and steam rising. The tinder quick had at least aided much in the drying process.

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It still took longer than ten minutes, so I do suggest hand warmers to enhance hand dexterity in times of real cold.

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But now I had a fire to warm and relax by.

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And time to contemplate the opposite shore and be thankful I didn't have to cross the expanse of cold water.

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Nice to see you get out in that fine fall weather . Always good to keep the firestarting skills in practice.
I've been considering getting that Esee firekit also ( or maybe just the basic one.) You can keep some tabs in there , which is always a great help.

Up here in Mid-west Canada it seems our fall is like a week long , if that. Almost a straight jump between summer and winter ,lol.
Keep up the great shots . and that's a pretty cool looking knife by the way !
 
Nice pics! I am still looking for the "perfect" fire kit, if there is such a thing! LOL

I have to ask you about that watch as I just looked at one today that looks just like it! Is it a Citizen model 281750404? If so, how do you like it? :D
 
Great pics, good to know the tinder quick at least catches a spark from a ferro rod I have a few packets of the stuff in various kits but have not tried it yet (out of laziness mostly). I think in the situation on the other post the first thing I would be doing is getting out of my wet clothing and at least wringing them out. All that chopping you were doing on that monster piece of drift wood is sure to generate some heat as well. In most areas around me there is always plenty of kindling and tinder, small sticks, leaves etc. I wounder if shaving chunks off that wood to get to a dry center/smaller pieces would have ignited with the tinder quick? I have a bunch of those little tea light candles I heisted from some project my wife did, they are light weight and I use on for casual camping etc to get the fire going. Get my fuel stacked, light candle with waterproof match and let it burn until the fuel is dry and hot enough to burn (they even work when they are wet) candle melts away in the fire and good to go. I would always have several methods of fire though, freezing to death would suck...Most people don't realize that falling into freezing water can kill pretty quickly (shock, heart attack from rapidly spiking BP, etc). I did some research on cold weather kayaking - the method that is pretty much gospel is to dress for the water temp and submersion.
 
Nice to see you get out in that fine fall weather . Always good to keep the firestarting skills in practice.
I've been considering getting that Esee firekit also ( or maybe just the basic one.) You can keep some tabs in there , which is always a great help.

Up here in Mid-west Canada it seems our fall is like a week long , if that. Almost a straight jump between summer and winter ,lol.
Keep up the great shots . and that's a pretty cool looking knife by the way !


I love autumn, it's my favorite time of year, and have been looking forward to fire starting weather all summer. I have and like both. I like the new one better because of the effects sweat and salt water have on ferro rods. It is so humid here in the summers that I have had my sweat corrode one pretty bad in just one day in my pocket. This one has been in my pockets for hours at a time and has been in the gulf of Mexico a few times and no corrosion issues at all. I have liked Todd's Yuma design since I first saw it months ago, this is the second one I've had the chance to play with and have been impressed with both.


Nice pics! I am still looking for the "perfect" fire kit, if there is such a thing! LOL

I have to ask you about that watch as I just looked at one today that looks just like it! Is it a Citizen model 281750404? If so, how do you like it? :D

Thank you. I still carry multiple fire starting options, I just like this one for a backup system that stays in my pocket.

Not a Citizen, this one is a Casio Chrono my wife gave me for Valentines Day this year. I thinks it's probably half the price of the Citizen...and about a quarter of the price of the Seiko I want...but it has been a good watch so far. Salt water and fresh water with no issues.


Great pics, good to know the tinder quick at least catches a spark from a ferro rod I have a few packets of the stuff in various kits but have not tried it yet (out of laziness mostly). I think in the situation on the other post the first thing I would be doing is getting out of my wet clothing and at least wringing them out. All that chopping you were doing on that monster piece of drift wood is sure to generate some heat as well. In most areas around me there is always plenty of kindling and tinder, small sticks, leaves etc. I wounder if shaving chunks off that wood to get to a dry center/smaller pieces would have ignited with the tinder quick? I have a bunch of those little tea light candles I heisted from some project my wife did, they are light weight and I use on for casual camping etc to get the fire going. Get my fuel stacked, light candle with waterproof match and let it burn until the fuel is dry and hot enough to burn (they even work when they are wet) candle melts away in the fire and good to go. I would always have several methods of fire though, freezing to death would suck...Most people don't realize that falling into freezing water can kill pretty quickly (shock, heart attack from rapidly spiking BP, etc). I did some research on cold weather kayaking - the method that is pretty much gospel is to dress for the water temp and submersion.

Oh yeah, they'll definitely take a spark. The spark lite that they come with is basically just a lighter sparking wheel with no fuel tank. The "flints" in it and lighters are just small ferro rods. You can ignite these with sparks thrown from a dead butane lighter. I'm sure the tinder quick would have ignited dry thin shavings or splinters of wood, I have tested that before, but they have a shorter burn time than most other chemical tinders so the wet wood was a challenge for it. Same here usually lots of material for fire starting, I just wanted to test my backup against some adverse conditions before encountering real adverse conditions. I always have multiple options going in as well, I have been through some pretty severe frost bite before, it's nothing to play around with.
 
I also like to mess around once or twice a year with my fire kits and practice. Like the post and always appreciate physical testing.
 
Great job mistwalker. It's always good to pick a different sort of scenario and see how it turns out. Any reason you didn't make some wood shavings to go with the tinder?
 
I also like to mess around once or twice a year with my fire kits and practice. Like the post and always appreciate physical testing.

Thanks man, glad you enjoyed the post. Always good to test the back up systems.



Great job mistwalker. It's always good to pick a different sort of scenario and see how it turns out. Any reason you didn't make some wood shavings to go with the tinder?

Thanks man. It was mainly a test of the tinder quick inspired by your thread because before now I had only tested it under relatively dry conditions. I was testing versus data collected using other accelerants. Had that been PJCB of the same size or even a piece of pitch wood the same size no further prep would have been necessary. The lesson learned was to replace the tinder quick with fire straws.
 
Nice field test Mist, cool photos to follow along with too. That old branch made me tired just looking at your pics :-)
 
Hi Mistwalker,

That was a well written thread coupled with brilliant photos! Thank you for taking the time to put that together for us.

I do not remember off hand. Are the ferro rods replaceable for either of the mentioned fire kits?

Sincerely,
Mark
 
Nice field test Mist, cool photos to follow along with too. That old branch made me tired just looking at your pics :-)

Thanks Stickman, glad you enjoyed the post. Lol, that particular method of gathering kindling and fuel can be a little tiring :)


Hi Mistwalker,

That was a well written thread coupled with brilliant photos! Thank you for taking the time to put that together for us.

I do not remember off hand. Are the ferro rods replaceable for either of the mentioned fire kits?

Sincerely,
Mark

Hi Mark,

Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed the post. Replaceable yes, but not so easily so. The ESEE fire kits require the cutting off and drilling out of the old rods, but they are very large rods and last quite a while. The only ferro rod fire starters I have that have easily replaceable threaded rods are made by Exotac and those are the nanostriker, nanostriker XL, and the fire rod. I can post pics if you like.

Brian
 
Wow Brian, that would be wondeful. I have looked at the nanostriker and nanostriker XL for awhile, but have never made the final move to purchase one. Perhaps your photos will help me in that regard. :)

Mark
 
Wow Brian, that would be wondeful. I have looked at the nanostriker and nanostriker XL for awhile, but have never made the final move to purchase one. Perhaps your photos will help me in that regard. :)

Mark

Ok, I'll do side beside pics of all in a bit, but this will show you a little about the nano and the nano XL. I like the nano XL much better than the regular nano but I still edc my Titanium one because....well because it's Ti, and because it goes well with the Ti frame lock folder I edc as well. I wish I had a Ti nano XL :)

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/904478-Exotac-nanoSTRIKER-XL?highlight=exotac
 
I'd tested one of the fire tinders in dry weather before, and they worked well with that. I wouldn't trust just that for any type of wet weather, though. They don't stay burning long enough to dry much out from my experience. Good thing we never just take one sort of tinder with us. :thumbup:

You like the ESEE fire kit? I still haven't managed to get one yet. Trying to buy less gear and practice more, but the more I look at the ESEE fire kit, I just like the way it looks.
 
I have taken to wraping my tender in an old shop rag, dropping it into a bucket of water let it set for 5 minutes or so . Then fish it out and just lay it up for a couple hours before unwrapping it and see if it lights . the cheap coulghans fire starter sticks actually pass this test and if you scrape them fine enough will catch with a fire steel
 
I'd tested one of the fire tinders in dry weather before, and they worked well with that. I wouldn't trust just that for any type of wet weather, though. They don't stay burning long enough to dry much out from my experience. Good thing we never just take one sort of tinder with us. :thumbup:

You like the ESEE fire kit? I still haven't managed to get one yet. Trying to buy less gear and practice more, but the more I look at the ESEE fire kit, I just like the way it looks.

Same here, I had tested then in dry and non-windy conditions with both the spark lite and a ferro rod. They worked fine for that. Adding in the breeze and the damp wood and more prep would have had to be done to make it work. The extra prep is of course doable, and I will bear that in mind if using them in the future, but three small fire straws in place of the three tinder quick tabs will negate the need for the extra prep. And yeah, I had other options on me at the time, an Exotac fireROD packed full of PJCB in a kit with a small knife around my neck.

I really like the advanced fire kit a lot, it is my favorite full sized emergency ferro rod fire starting system. I like that it has room for tinder and matches inside a dry compartment. I've seen first hand what salt water and sweat can do so I like the rod sealed away from the elements. I like that it has a large handle for working with cold or fatigued hands and with one-hand fire starting techniques. I also like that it has a button compass which will work about as well as any other compass if I am in dense woods here. One one complaint is the slickness of the thread protector rings and cold hands. I've had mine for about 7 months and it has been in creeks, rivers, and the gulf of mexico with no issues, and has started several fires. Now that I have had it a while and thought about it a lot I am going adding some texture grooves to mine with a hack saw blade. As long as I make the cuts on the outside corner of the rings with them off of the kit it won't matter if I cut all the way through. Then the rings will be easier to remove with cold, fatigued, or even gloved hands. It is aluminum so not like it will rust.
 
I tried to make a fire today in a stainless steel silverware holder (improvised wood burning stove) without any tinder quick. Had some pretty fine wood shavings but no good tinder, no luck with the coglans ferro but it was throwing enough spark. The bic fixed it though and was able to enjoy my oatmeal and walnuts in the woods...
 
Great stuff as always buddy.

That spot reminds me so much of one that I hike to, struggling to find any pics of it but came up with these....

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And it seems we do the same thing !!!

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