Fire starting in moist conditions advice

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Hey guys. I have been practicing starting a fire in moist conditions, but I am really finding it difficult. (Trying to improve it for the RAT survival competition, but have not found a place to do it yet) To explain: I take a piece of wood and split it to get to the dryer interior. I create tinder. use the fire steel. Some cotton wool I have in my waterproof fire kit. Light....It starts to but fades and dies. I cant seem to get it to take flame long enough. Should I create more tinder, take more time and collect more finer sticks etc? Ps. Sorry there is no RAT in the pics as I do not have one yet.

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Hi
I have been playing with my firestarter too, its tough. Lint from your dryer works really well to get going. For me it seemed like a person needs a lot of small, dry stuff, pine straw and similar to get a good fire going.
Let me know what you find works best for you.
Paul
 
Hi
I have been playing with my firestarter too, its tough. Lint from your dryer works really well to get going. For me it seemed like a person needs a lot of small, dry stuff, pine straw and similar to get a good fire going.
Let me know what you find works best for you.
Paul

my grandfather used pine knots. in south Carolina if you walk on someones land and pick up the pine knots you are in volitional of the law. this is valuable item.
 
Fortunately for me, I guess, I get to practice wet firing lighting here in Oregon three quarters of the year.

The main difference between lighting fires in ideal conditions versus damp, (when not "cheating" with man made accelerants), in my experience is that in wet conditions there are no shortcuts. You have to carefully prepare the site and have everything preassembled to "always" succeed.

Tips:

Carefully select your spot. When it is raining or foggy, I make a fire circle in the rain shadow of the largest evergreen in the area. A modest fire about five feet from the massive trunk does three things, two of which are positives, 1) the ground is way drier. 2) The trunk can be the easy basis for a heat reflector. 3) Watch the breeze. A canopy that is keeping the rain off of you also traps a lot of smoke if your fire can't or won't burn hot enough to keep the problem in check. ON EDIT: If you build a fire under a tree, clear a fire circle of all of the grounded needles, twigs, and cones unless you want a spontaneous combustion problem from an ember and keep the fire size sensible.

Procure the driest tinder you can. I have it easy here in Oregon. There is usually tons of fuel available on the ground or within easy reach. Moss is everywhere and locating some dry moss is usually not tremendously difficult. Rotting logs sporting termite colonies will have exploitable termite crap that burns nicely. Finally, exploiting deadfall is key for firewood. Even a branch or small tree that has been rained upon for weeks on end has a drier side towards the ground. I usually break it, relocate the "dry" side, split it open and fuzz up the interior. In moist conditions the tinder is better when the curls are thin and springy. IMO the tinder pictured above was too big and not adequately assembled for airspace to succeed in wet conditions

However, another method is even easier if there are mature cedar trees in the area. Most cedars of intermediate size will have failed branches still sticking off of the trunk that died off for lack of sunlight. These are easily knocked to the ground with a stick. Since they have been rain shadowed, they snap easily and burn nicely. You only need one if you process it into shavings, bark and all, to get a hotter burn for moister deadfall fuel.

Buy or harvest some fat wood or look for tree damage and trim off some pitch balls. In damp conditions having some pitch or pitchy wood to catch is the easiest fix for building a fire that won't fail in moist conditions. I usually "cheat" on this count by always carrying hexamine tablets, but I only rarely have to use them. I just find hexamine cleaner to carry and use than pitch and less messy than cotton balls in petroleum jelly.

So, a dry fire site, dry tinder and fuel, and useable accelerants can all be found in a temperate forest, even when everything looks wet.

If you're not in such a forest, good luck. Someone else will have to chime in.:D
 
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Try splitting some of the wood down the slivers, and making more fine curls.

Also, cheat. ;) Slip a couple birthday candles or a bit of wax into your pack. A few slivers of paraphin burn for a shockingly long time, and can help dry out your starter wood.
 
The jungle we play in is always damp and it doesn't have the luxury of finding fatwood or cedar laying around. You HAVE to prepare everything before starting. When you think you have enough small stuff and tinder, triple it before you ever light anything. In the jungle you better have some pretty good lungs because you will be blowing on the embers to keep everything else burning. Fire building take patience and preparation. Most everyone wants to get in a hurry and strike up the first flame, then they're scrambling to find other small stuff to keep their fire going and their fire usually fails. In damp areas, once you get a fire going big enough that there's a constant blaze tall enough to singe the hair off your kneecaps, you can relax a little because it will be self-sustaining.
 
Don't use wood that has been on the ground. Look for dead tooth pick sized twigs that are still on the tree. If they are dry they should snap and not bend (green wood won't snap). If there are pine trees around look for dead twigs and dried sap attached to the base of the tree. Get a good two handed bundle of this size. Next look for the same wood only pencil sized get a good arm loads of these. Keep going up in size and increasing the amount of wood you gather, look for standing dead trees that can be broken or chopped drown and drag them to where you are building you fire. Again, don't use green wood, wood from the ground or wood that is rotted. Hardwoods are better for fuel and (generally) soft woods are better for starting fires.

If you can't find pine pitch or some other natural tinder, a petroleum jelly cotton ball is a good way to get your fire started. Add the smallest/driest twigs first, being careful not to smother the flame and gradually add wood until your fire is burning well. After your fire is going you can burn wood from the ground or even green wood if you want, though it is best to dry it beside your fire for a while before burning it.
 
Good point about ground fall. That's usually a waste of effort. I will take dead fall that is leaning or jumbled up though, so it doesn't have to be a standing dead tree, just not in contact with the soil. Again, a rotting log is only good for finding a bug colony that has deposited dried "goods" in their wake.

A trick my friend uses is an "Altoid tin oven" for drying tinder in the field. He poked some holes in the altoid lid for ventilation and when he gets a fire going, he packs the tin with damp moss and/or small twigs and dehydrates them for later use.
 
KNOW the fire triangle!
Three things required for a fire: Fuel, Oxygen, Heat
In the photo everything is laying on top, no room for Oxygen
The sticks are too large and there's not enough, little Fuel
Your using a magnesium bar, not my favorite but it can work, cool spark
You need the magnesium shavings and I dont see that you shaved it you just used the spark rod. That rod is not the same as the misch metal in a swedish firesteel. It only produces a spark. keep the magnesium bar but get a better firesteel too. I really like the RAT or StrikeForce.

So you have a triangle that looks... hmmm, puny.
First put some Kindling down, this acts as a barrier between the wet, cold ground and your fire. next is your tinder with your starter in the middle.
A cone or cube or pyramid of loose stacked kindling around it with some larger pieces ready to go on top. I would have 10 times the amount you have in that photo and I would use a third of that to get the fire going.

BTW good job, thanks for posting! We all learn by reading and asking and watching. I know people that couldnt start a fire with a match and a gallon of gas.

BTW Boats, thanks for the altoid tin oven tip I like that idea! Its simple, fast, and keeps you with a ready made firestarter!
 
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I like Jeff's rule. When you think you have enough kindling on hand, triple it.....Most sane advice I've read on this thread.

I like to keep feeding the small stuff until I have a good base of glowing coals. You want a nice pile of coals on the bed before going to the larger fuels.
 
A trick my friend uses is an "Altoid tin oven" for drying tinder in the field. He poked some holes in the altoid lid for ventilation and when he gets a fire going, he packs the tin with damp moss and/or small twigs and dehydrates them for later use.
Now that is a neat trick, thank you.

I've been experimenting too, and I had no luck with my packed dryer lint. I seem to fail fluffing it up enough after it's been packed.
Using a tampon worked though - and they are packed pretty dense ...

Also I'll be experimenting with tinder fungus, cause I found one on my last trip to the woods.

And I usually have loads of fine stuff very thin kindling, and then some thicker kindling and when I stard feeding the bigger stuff, I just put in a piece or two and add some of the smaller stuff, then a little more of the bigger and some smaller again until a decent amount of the thicker kindling burns really good, than I proceed to feed that and one or two pieces of the bigger stuff, and so on.
 
I like Jeff's rule. When you think you have enough kindling on hand, triple it.....Most sane advice I've read on this thread.

I like to keep feeding the small stuff until I have a good base of glowing coals. You want a nice pile of coals on the bed before going to the larger fuels.

Are you insinuating that the rest of the advice in this thread is insane?:D

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I like Jeff's rule. When you think you have enough kindling on hand, triple it.....Most sane advice I've read on this thread.

I like to keep feeding the small stuff until I have a good base of glowing coals. You want a nice pile of coals on the bed before going to the larger fuels.

I have learned that the biggest threat to making fire is impatience. This one thing causes more failures than anything else you can list. While all the advice I have read so far seems sound, it's all worthless if you don't have the patience to build fire correctly. Unless of course you have a huge can of diesel fuel. :D
 
i remeber watching some program about jungle tribes , and they would take along coals wraped in tinder and other stuff to survive a days travel, when you make camp , un wrap , and start placing tender ... wraped in a banana leaf or other large jungle leaf to protect the contents from rain and water... it was rather odd and stuck in my mind.... i recall... watching how they walk the jungle they picked up what they needed as they went... plenty of food/water/tender/ material in the jungle , its just its not always in one place....

i also was fairly facinated with there means of brewing up alcohols...
 
I had an acquaintance who was drying his shirt out by holding it out near a fire in our hunting camp a few seasons ago who had forgotten a large bic lighter in a chest pocket. The resulting butane explosion caught fire to about a third of his shirt. It was hilarious.
 
Lots of good points have been given so far. If you can find some sap or pitch dripping off of a tree (collect it) this is a great way to make the small starter tinder count.

the biggest tip I could offer from my own limited experience is to build the fire as you go. You dont want to pre build anything. Have everything beside you and ready to go. Have lots (and lots) of small and medium small sticks -from 1cm to 1/4 cm or less. Then have some larger ones ready.

Follow the flame and let the flame build the fire.
 
I had an acquaintance who was drying his shirt out by holding it out near a fire in our hunting camp a few seasons ago who had forgotten a large bic lighter in a chest pocket. The resulting butane explosion caught fire to about a third of his shirt. It was hilarious.

Sounds like that shirt became tinder after that.
 
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