Firestone Belt Axe

I haven't had any experience with the thrower so I won't comment on it. With regard to the belt axe, I wasn't very impressed with the steel or the handle. The steel is an unspecified grade of 440 and the laminated handle reminded me a little too much of plywood. For what I think is a nicer looking axe of this style, check the offering from Delta Z. For a really practical axe with a hand-forged head, check www.gransfors.com Three of the smaller models are discussed in threads present in this forum and there is also material in the archives. You could probably also search the archives for comments on the Firestone because I do recall reading some positive remarks in the past.
 
The steel is investment cast 440C. The handle IS plywood - a very high-grade plywood - tougher than any natural handle I would imagine!
I have one of these axes. What I don't have is much experience with using these tools on a regular basis - or a variety of quality axes/hatchets to compare it's use with.
With the little I have used it, I am less than impressed with it's chopping ability. This may be due to unrelistic expectations. As nicely as this axe is constructed - 440C, fairly thin, polished convex edge, almost hair poping sharp, comfy handle - I guess I expected it to cut all by itself! I don't recall trying it on any green wood, only dry campfire hardwood.
What I'm looking for is impressions from the 'Cliff Stamps' out there - People that have USED a good variety of tools to develope a base knowledge of what WORKS and what comes up short.
For example:
If you gave me a Yugo, I might think that it was a very nice car that performed good, got good gas milage, was low maintenance, etc, etc. - Until I drive a VW Jetta TDI (my car) and find out the Yugo is really sh*t in comparison.
No - I've never owned a Yugo (or even sat in one):D
 
Maybe Cliff will see this and respond. However, I can tell you that I have extensive field experience with the Gransfors axes and they definitely perform very well.
 
I don't doubt the quality of the Gransfors axes. Based on the praise on this forum, I am planning on getting one or two (or three) of these axes sometime next year. Probably the SFA and a Mini or Wildlife hatchet. I wish there was someplace around Dayton, OH to pick these out myself. Spending that much, I want to make sure I get good grained handles. Once I get around to acquiring one of the hatchets, I will be able to post some of my own comparisons.
I really don't have a NEED for the number of knives and axes/hatchets/hawks I own. I just like them - and try to buy the best I can afford.
I get out camping and 4x4ing (Pinzgauer 710M) several times a year, and this is the only time I usually get to play with my sharp things. Firewood is generally gathered with the Jonsered, so most of the use the axes/hatchets get is voluntary.:)
FWIW - The tomahawk is the best fire-tending tool I have ever used, bar none.:D
 
For illustration here is the Firestone belt axe :

http://www.leevalley.com/images/item/gardening/45k1655s2.jpg

and the Wildlife Hatchet :

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/images/gb_wildlife_hatchet.jpg

Breakdown :

Bit profile - The hatchet has the optimum chopping profile, a curved edge which sweeps down towards the extremes. This geometry allows the smoothest cut during a chop as the edges of the wood get smoothly cut. This aspect of performance is why some chisels have the edges slightly rounded. The Bruks hatchet also has the traditional convex -> hollow -> convex profile to offer the optimal combination of penetration, resistance to binding and strength of wedging. I can't tell from the picture how the head of the Firestone axe is ground, but is does appear to have a hollow relief which is good. However, in contrast to the Bruks hatchet, the bit of the Belt axe sweeps down far too extreme at the heel of the bit. Because one end of the face is so much lower than the other, when you are doing multiple hit chopping on large woods, the cuts will not be parallel to each other and thus the chips will not clear out of the wood to the maximum depth as they will when using the Bruks axe. However there are some cutting advantages to the curvature of the Firestone axe.

Steel - This is where the Bruks axe jumps significantly ahead . Cast 440C is not in the same class at all as the forged alloy steel that the Bruks is made from (probably something similar to bandsaw steel). You will be able to run the Bruks hatchet with a thinner edge and suffer no problems with durablity, thus it will outcut and outlast the Firestone axe.

Handle - I would bet on the FIrestone having a more durable handle, however does this offer any functional gain? Probably not, you have to basically beat a hickory handle off of the wood to cause it to break, and if you are doing this on a regular basis you are likely to have far greater problems than handle faults, as that is an excellent way to inflict an injury on yourself. In regards to handle shape the Bruks hatchet has the necessary top swell to lock in a secure grip, your hand will ramp over the top of the belt axe far easier, plus the bottom swell looks very extreme (a lot of this is very user dependent however). On the positive for the belt axe, the cutout design of the head looks to offer a nice advantage in regards to precision work. The head handle attachment may be a problem on the Firestone as it doesn't appear to be easily replaceable, but then again this probably isn't much of an issue.

Sheath - This is the easiest part. The Bruks sheath just basically protects the head. The Firststone sheath on the other hand appears to have a belt loop and is much more functional. Of course the leather quality is important, I have seen very nice looking sheaths fall apart easily, however at the price range this axe is in, I doubt that is the case.

Price - the Firestone axe is much more expensive, somewhere about 2x the cost of the Bruks hatchet.

In short, you are paying more money, getting an inferior steel, and getting a bit design that is really skewed away from chopping. In addition the handle does not look nearly as functional to me. Basically, there is nothing that would leap out at me to make me want to buy one, and quite a few things that would keep me away from it.

jgeesen :

If you gave me a Yugo, I might think that it was a very nice car that performed good, got good gas milage, was low maintenance, etc, etc. - Until I drive a VW Jetta TDI (my car) and find out the Yugo is really sh*t in comparison.

Pretty much exactly, the reference is critical when judging performance in relative terms.

-Cliff
 
I love my Pinzgauer. I highly endorse this truck. It's my mini van, pickup truck, SUV, troop carrier, and Jeep - all rolled into one great truck.
To keep this post on topic for this forum - I keep my CS Frontier hawk in the top part of the rifle rack for quick access to clear heavy limbs out of my path when needed. I used to use a machete for this chore, but the hawk works better for me. Also, it is readily handy to tend the campfire or to go flying through the air and sticking into, or bouncing off (dead) trees :)
Back to the Firestone axe -
The sheath is very well made - by DeSantis.
I just noticed, last night, while fondling mine (axe :o !), that the convexed edge angle changes throught the length of the edge. You can see from the pictures that the polished edge is wide at the top and narrows to almost half its origingal depth. The thickness at the rear of the polished edge is the same from top to bottom - .25"
The top is .85" deep to .48" at the bottom.
I could see where this might come in handy for a multi-use belt axe. BTW that is what this tool is promoted as - a 'if you could only take one tool with you' kinda thing. Although the poll is not designed for pounding, as it has a large (3/8"?) set screw right in the middle of it. :mad:
There is a good (deep) hollow (relief) behind the polished edge.
I don't regret buying this tool at all. It may do many tasks, but surly not as good as a tool designed for the particular job. It definately gets the most oohs and aahs of all my axe/hatchet/hawks. At least until my 2Hawks order shows up. :D
 
I have some of Two Hawks' fine products and really like them. Among the models I have, the best chopping performance comes from the Longhunter. On which models are you waiting?
 
Great thread guys.., thanks for all the information...


"Hunters seek what they [WANT].., Seekers hunt what they [NEED]"
 
I'm still waiting on my Two-Hawks Voyageur, but I got my Comp hawks a while back - very nice. I also got some GB goodies a couple months back - a mini, a wildlife, a hunter, and a splitting maul. These are serious cutting tools! My Firestone has been relegated to a novelty tool. It is a very cool looking and feeling tool, but I was unimpressed with it's chopping performance - I don't even think it outchopped my CS Frontier hawk. I have not used it enough to attest to it's edge holding ability, or toughness. I think reprofiling the edge would make it a better tool. I don't regret buying this belt axe, but I doubt it will see much use.
If you are wanting to buy only one (yeah, right!) quality hatchet/small axe, I would highly suggest the GB Wildlife hatchet.
 
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