First slip joint! GEC OR Case!

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First off, I apologize I'm in the wrong section for this and appreciate redirection :-D

I'll be picking up my first slip joint in a few days here and have narrowed it down to the Case sway back jack, or the GEC #15 ebony boys knife in spear point. If anyone has one or both can give me some insight I would appreciate it! I've never carried a pocket knife before, so I don't really know much about the brands. :-/
Trying to stay under $80!
Thanks in advance! :-D
 
Wait are you saying you have NEVER owned a swiss army knife? That is a requirement in my opinion, if you don't own one pick one up along with whatever you're planning to get.
 
GEC bends Case over their knee for a spanking.
Maybe the old Case knives could compete with GEC, but not their current line.
 
Wait are you saying you have NEVER owned a swiss army knife? That is a requirement in my opinion, if you don't own one pick one up along with whatever you're planning to get.

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What he said mutliplied by a very large number. :)

You need to own a Victorinox as a first slip joint if for nothing else than to set a gold standard for you to measure Case and GEC by. Victorinox knives are amazing in fit and finish for the reasonable price they go for. After you own a few SAK's, you start looking at other knives a bit harder.
 
Two sweet knives, though I went with the "Nifebrite" glow in the dark handles for the GEC Boy's Knife, just seemed appropriate :D

Check out the Traditionals forum, you can probably get a side by side photo. I don't have one of the GEC, but here's the chestnut bone handle version of the Case Swayback Jack:

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One of the best production Case's I own, except for the Case/Bose collaborations.
 
This isn't the wrong forum, but there is a better forum to talk about traditional slipjoints, and that'd be the Traditional forum. If you want, click the little triangle under your post and request it be moved there.

As for your choice between the Case Sway Back Jack or the GEC #15, honestly, you can't go wrong either way.

The SBJ is one of the best regular production knives Case makes. Any of the Case / Tony Bose collaborations will have a higher level of refinement than their regular knives. Better fit and finish, better dye jobs, better "walk and talk", etc. The chestnut bone/CV steel model is easily one of the most loved slipjoints here on BF.

IMO GECs are the best production traditional knives out there. They're made mostly by hand and in small numbers, and use top-notch materials for the handles, which is why they're more expensive than most others.

Although the Case/Bose knives are great, you're more likely to get a knife without issues from GEC. And while I haven't really heard much bad about Case's warranty service (lotta good, mostly, except perhaps turnaround time), I'd put more faith in GEC's simply because their comparatively tiny operation means you'll get better attention. Plus, all the dealers that sell GECs are all excellent and will go the extra mile or 2 to make sure you're happy.

Comparing the 2 knives themselves, there'll be a fairly substantial size difference. It might not seem like it look at specs on a website, but there is. The SBJ is a small knife. Not Peanut small, but still small. It's a 3 finger knife. The #15 will fill your hand, or at least most of it. Although small, the SBJ has a good heft to it. It's small, but not dainty. The blades are flat-ground, rather than hollow-ground like most Cases are. The SBJ fits in a pocket - even a change pocket - wonderfully. The #15 is by no means a large knife, but it'll be more noticeable in the pocket.

Since you're comparing the SBJ to the #15, which is only available in 1095 carbon steel, I'll assume you're thinking of the SBJ in chestnut bone and CV (modified 1075 carbon steel). Both will be pretty easy to sharpen and hold an edge fairly well. The Case CV steel will be a bit easier to sharpen, but the GEC 1095 will hold an edge better. Both, you should know and understand, are NOT stainless steels. If you use them to cut up an apple, the blade will turn colors and turn from shiny to a dull grey, with weird silvery blues. This is called a patina, which is a layer of oxidation. On steel, a patina actually protects the steel underneath from red/black rust forming (not completely, but it helps a lot). Some consider a patina ugly, but some consider it beautiful. Either way, using a carbon steel knife requires a certain amount of upkeep. On the Case, only the blades are carbon steel. On the GEC, the blades and the springs will be carbon steel (maybe the liners too, I don't know, the could be nickel silver).

If you want to keep things shiny, you need to keep everything oiled. Mineral oil is the typical stand-by (look in the laxative section of your pharmacy...trust me), as it works well and is food safe. Other lubes/protectants work good too, but stink and taste bad and might be toxic. If the blades darken or a patina starts to form, an abrasive polish like Simichrome or Flitz will bring the luster back.

If you don't mind a patina forming, just oil the joints once in a while, and make sure the blades are dry from water, or else black spots and/or red rust might form. You can let a patina naturally develop over time and use, or you can "force" a patina. There's a few ways of doing this. A common method is to stick it in an apple or potato and just let it sit. Repeat if necessary. This will give you a patina that starts out splotchy and with weird colors, but with repeated use and time will even out to a fairly consistent dull grey. Another method is to use a liquid that's acidic, like mustard or vinegar. Wipe on, let sit, wipe off, repeat. For a dark, even patina, heat up vinegar over a stove and dip the blade in it.

If you don't want to deal with any of that, then the SBJ is the only choice out of those two. GEC does make some knives in stainless steel, but very few, and not in the #15 pattern.



Frankly, I think everything I just spent an hour writing is going to be moot and pointless anyway. Whichever knife you end up buying, you're going to long after the one you didn't, and eventually end up with both. And that's not a bad thing. There'll be days where you want the larger #15, and there'll be days you want something that doesn't weight your pocket down as much. Just be warned that either one will be a gateway drug knife, and that not only will you be buying both, soon you'll be looking at stockmans, whittlers, wharncliffe trappers, and congresses. And then you'll discover custom made knives. Definitely spend some time in the Traditional forum. It's without a doubt the most pleasant, respectful, and giving knife subforum on BF or the entire internet. Browse though the hundreds of pages of the "What Traditional Knife are you Toten' Today" thread. Welcome to Bladeforums, and welcome to the addiction.
 
You should get some great advice here.

This is just my opinion... I would check out CASE first as they have a lot of readily available models at very fair prices. A good CASE knife will outlast most users (no doubt a GEC and its cousins will, too!) but you can try out a more case knives at a little less $$ to start with. CASE makes a fine knife and while not as heavily built as the GECs, they are plenty sturdy for every day hard work.

Good luck with your choice, and indeed, you are in the right place! But as Planterz advised you will get a lot more out of the traditional forum on this site. I see it's your first post, so welcome aboard!

Robert
 
Wow, that was a lot of turn out in a very short time! I appreciate all the advice and replies!
I definitely want carbon steel, I did research that part a bit and have already picked up mineral oil in advance as I work in a pharmacy anyway ;-) love the patina and the personality that comes with it.
I wasn't aware that the #15 had carbon steel liners though, and that could change things. I feel I wouldn't be as good at keeping a liner rust free.. :-/ a slight bummer because the ebony is beautiful, but I do like the wharncliffe on the case!
The main blade looks rather fragile on the case, how is it in person?

I will look into picking up a SAK to set the standard. I assume they're readily available in most stores :-)

Thanks again for all the quick replies! I can tell already that this forum is full of good people!
 
I wasn't aware that the #15 had carbon steel liners though, and that could change things. I feel I wouldn't be as good at keeping a liner rust free.. :-/ a slight bummer because the ebony is beautiful,
I poked around this thread and it looks like the liners are carbon steel, not nickel silver. GEC only uses stainless steel backsprings when the blade is also stainless (440C). The steel GEC uses for liners is a cold-rolled mild steel. Keeping the liners and spring shiny shouldn't be too much of a problem. I've been carrying a couple different GECs with the same springs/liners for a while, and it hasn't been an issue yet. A light coat of oil once in a while, and if it starts to darken, just polish it. Or just let it patina (or force it) and turn black. With the ebony handles, it'll look great. As for the insides of the liners, soak a thin cloth or paper towel with mineral oil, rub it around, then blast out the excess with canned air.

but I do like the wharncliffe on the case!
The main blade looks rather fragile on the case, how is it in person?

It's really not. Like I said before, it's not something you want to pry with, or use as a screwdriver, but as far as wharncliffes go, it's actually pretty stout, yet thin and pointy. It's fantastic for cutting packing tape, breaking down boxes, digging out splinters, and defeating the evilest of evils - clamshell packaging.

I will look into picking up a SAK to set the standard. I assume they're readily available in most stores :-)

The SAK I carry every day myself is a Cybertool 29. It's thick compared to some models, yet not even remotely the thickest. Obviously the knife blades are useful, but it's really for the other tools that I carry this one. Mainly the multi-bit driver. I've "saved the day" more times than I can recount because of it. My other favorite is the Pioneer Rancher, but alas it is discontinued and increasingly harder to find. The regular Pioneer is essentially the same as the Soldier (the Swiss Army issue for many years), but without a bail. The Rancher replaces the canopener with a small pruning/hawkbill blade that absolutely destroys packing tape and clamshell packaging. The Electrician is similar, with a short sheepsfoot blade with a wirestripper notch. The Cybertool is always in my left pocket, while my other traditional knife rides in my left. The regular Pioneer/Soldier makes a great EDC knife. Thin, elegant, strong, and won't frighten anybody. The Pioneer/Soldier isn't quite as useful to me personally since I don't need a canopener, but it also doubles as a small flathead/phillips screwdriver (which I don't need, since I carry the Cybertool), so you might still find use for it.

If you go with any of these ALOX Victorinox', some things cannot be disputed. For one, they're built like tanks. The construction is damn solid. Secondly, they're eternally useful. Carry one for a while and you'll feel naked without it. Add a small keychain flashlight, and you'll wonder how you've lived your life without it. Specific to the ALOX SAKs is the amazing awl. Other SAKs have an awl, but they're far inferior to the awl on the ALOX models. You might not realize until you have it, but it's an amazing tool to have handy when the situation arises. And of course, you can't overlook the perfection of the main blade. There's a reason it has remained unchanged for decades. And finally, there's the perception of the SAK. Whip out a big "tactical" knife to do a simple cutting task, and you're likely to raise some onlookers' eyebrows at the least. But a SAK won't. Nor will most traditional knives, since they remind people of what their grandparents carried. But nothing says "I'm a handyman" rather than "I'm a psychopath" better than a Swiss Army Knife.
 
Yup SAK's are the standard by which all other folding knives are to be judged by in my book. No matter how much I love my more "tactical" knives I can't deny the pleasure of holding a SAK brings me no other slipjoint knife can do that to me. I am personally torn on what I want to recommend for a SAK as those ALOX models are extremely nice and I love them, but the normal plastic handle ones are also extremely tough and you don't know how many times those tweezers or toothpick will save the day.
 
The Classic SD is the first item I have ever attached to my keyring and not immediately resented. It adds the toothpick and tweezers, and a pair of scissors, freeing me up to carry a Cadet without feeling like I'm missing out on the scissors, tweezers, and toothpick.

And the Cadet is so slick, it was exactly what I was hoping to find when I decided a smaller Swiss Army knife might be a better fit for my lifestyle. Honestly it would be a great idea to drop the $25-30 on a Cadet or another one of the Alox models but I really suggest the Cadet, it's probably the best cross between typical SAK format and functionality and the small traditional pocket knives you are eyeballing.
 
Looks like gec might be doing another run of the 15 with a sheepsfoot blade. So suggestion is get the case now and then the gec in a couple months when the new run is available.
 
Well if the carbon liners are an issue then you could always get a 55 houndstooth, they are pretty close in size ;)

 
If you oil your knife lightly from time to time and don't submerge it in water and not dry it, the liner issue is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

I would choose a GEC model first even though there tends to be a bit of a price difference between Case and one of the GEC brands. The 2012 GEC forum knife would be a very good choice for a general user. GEC has made the pattern with a couple blade choices. I believe they call it the Trapper Jack. (#74, correct me if I'm wrong).

Excellent knife for general carry. I have the forum knife but have decided to get a larger one as I just perfer a hand filling slip joint/pocket knife. My choice was the 2-blade Pioneer (#23). Just got a leather pocket sheath for it from KSF that fits it, although a big snugly. Hopefully it will loosen up in a couple of weeks with the knife inside.

You can't go wrong with a GEC knife. A large trapper pattern would be my first choice to start things out. The same applies to a Case. I have both and have used both. Don't overlook Queen with their D2 steel. Harder to sharpen, but good quality knife. Sometimes they are shipped a bit "dull" but that can be fixed if you can sharpen a knife.

Sharpening... get one of the DMT bench stones (coarse and fine). They are sold at hardware stores as well as online although the larger versions tend to be an online purchase. You won't use the coarse grit much, but it's there if you need it.
 
I'd say in general GEC produces more knives that *wow* me. However the Swayback Jack is amazing by Case, and I prefer this pattern over the Boy's Knife. Mostly personal preference between these two. The SBJ is smaller, has that great wharncliffe main blade and pen secondary which I think is much more useful than the Boy's knife pattern, others will disagree.
 
I just recived a GEC 78 yesterday and I must say it is the smoothest slipjoint knife I have ever opened. I am no expert on slipjoints but I can tell you this GEC is nicer than any Case knife I have ever held. I do love that SBJ pattern though.
 
It sounds like you know about the CV steel that Case has. I have had a good time experimenting with with that steel, but even the little Case Peanut in CV hasn't replaced my SAK Classic SD in a 3rd pocket. I just trade out between the Peanut and a Small Texas Jack (then I have my regulars). I've come close to buying that Sway back Jack though. I'll expand my collection with a GEC eventually, they get a lot of praise, and I have passed up a few that seemed perfect for what I want.

http://www.collectorknives.net/

Is an approved dealer here on Blade Forums, and I hear a lot of people go to him for the selection of GECs.

Good luck with your search.
 
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