First Thoughts on my First Sebenza

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Here are some very early first thoughts on a small Sebenza I just received. This is my first Sebenza - I'd appreciate any comments on anything I mention below. Keep in mind that prior to this knife, I've mostly purchased/used Spyderco knives (a good dozen or more of them), and a Benchmade 690.

My small Sebenza just arrived – I’ve had about an hour of “play time” with it. Haven’t really used it for any real cutting use yet (other than the standard shave-some-arm-hair, slice some paper, etc). I was surprised to see that it was manufactured in August of 2001, so I have the older blade steel. From what I’ve read it’s arguable which steel is better, so I’m not particularly concerned about that.

From what I had read, I had expected this knife to be the sharpest out-of-the-box I’ve ever seen. Yep, it’s pretty sharp, but I think most if not all of my Spyderco’s have been the same sharpness. I don’t think it’s LESS sharp, just around the same. I cannot cut hairs on my arm without “shaving” next to the skin, so it’s not that “hair-poppin” sharpness I’ve heard about, but it’s probably better than I can do with my Sharpmaker. I can get a blade shaving sharp, but haven’t succeeded at the even sharper levels (and honestly haven’t really tried that hard, I don’t want a fragile edge after all).

The fit and finish of this Sebenza are outstanding. I mean, really really outstanding. When closed, the blade is perfectly centered between the scales. The tip is perfectly formed. I love how pretty much everything is rounded. The blade is simple but really…gorgeous. I love how they rounded over the back edge. The knife is also thinner than I expected, which I like. Very smooth action.

Disengaging the lock is a bit harder than I’m used to – on these types of knives I usually turn the knife over in my hand, edge up, then press the liner lock over with my thumb while applying just slight pressure on the top of the blade with my index finger, moving the blade until it just clears the lock. Then I get my other fingers out of the way, and close the blade completely using my thumb. I think, however, that my middle finger is tending to rest on the pocket clip when I’m doing this with the Sebenza, and thus it’s applying pressure that’s making it harder for my thumb to disengage the lock. As a result I’m trying too hard, and when the lock does clear the blade I’m moving the blade much more than I want to (a couple times it almost flipped closed on my fingers – yipes). Gonna have to practice not pressing AGAINST the lock with my middle finger when closing it.

I like the look of the lanyard, but I rarely (never?) use one, and I think it’s just going to get in my way in my pocket. I foresee removing it very soon. I like the subdued gray clip, rather than a polished silvery one – draws less attention to the fact that I’m carrying a knife. Yep, over all it’s a pretty ugly gray color – perhaps if I’m thrilled with its performance I may at some point get one of the “dressier” ones, then sell this one off. I’m not one to collect these kinda things, and keep them unused. With my Spyderco’s, every one that I’ve bought has seen use, and with these it’d be no different. In fact, I called CRK to order some of their recommended lubricant yesterday, and ended up talking with Lisa there (she does the fancier engraving, and just happened to pick up the phone). I told her I was getting my first one today, and she said, “Well I hope you’re going to use it, and not just keep it on a shelf. Some really pretty knives leave here, and I can see some people wanting to keep them looking nice, but we really prefer you USE these knives.” I liked that attitude.

I’m looking forward to really using this knife and seeing how it performs.
 
As far as unlocking the blade, if you move the frame lock out of the way before putting any pressure on the back of the blade, it unlocks much easier. Not to mention, you are a whole lot less likely to cut your fingers off. After all, you probably don't want to be called "Lefty" for the rest of your life.
 
I have a couple of suggestions, one handled closing can be tricky, especially on a small. I use two hands, it's less handy but I safer for me.

As far as sharpness, I don't think the overall grind will allow it to be "Hair-Poppin'", as it's not a thin blade. (I'm sure someone will say they can get theirs hair-poppin.)
 
In my experience with only 6 new CRK folders, they are all stiff to unlock when brand new. I usually place a small amount of CRK grease on the lock bar contact surface with the blade, this helps to prevent the sticking effect. The knife will become very smooth with use after break in of several hundred open/close cycles. I do not know of any custom knife makers who flame harden the titanium lock contact surface, in fact I sold off several very high priced customs due to constant sticking (galling or pick-up on stainless/titanium contact).

One additional point on the small Sebenza lock release, it is very easy to press inward with small fingers on lockbar, while trying to grasp the knife, this gives addtional resistance to your thumb when releasing the lockbar.

A few strokes on leather strop will make the apparent sharpness increse significantly. I use a very thin piece of leather on an oak backing. A mixture of Aluminum Oxide with soft binder will polish the edge and align it as well as "steeling". My understanding is that CRK uses a hard felt wheel with abrasive added for final finish to the edge. If we use a soft thick strop, it may round over the precision bevel (actually convex in shape, not flat) that CRK gives the new blade. The sharpmake will of course remove the CRK bevel and give us something else. I recommend stroping until the knife absolutely needs a reprofiled bevel.

Regards,
FK
 
Thanks for that info, it is indeed almost a "sticking" effect. Sometimes it unlocks fairly easy, other times it is a REAL effort, and that's when it feels like it has 'stuck'. In fact before reading your note I was tempted to put a little drop of Tuff-Glide at that contact point. I ordered some of the recommended flourinated grease, but I don't expect that to arrive until sometime next week.

It's a minor issue that I'm sure will either work itself out, or I'll learn to work around properly. Overall I'm extremely satisfied with this knife. I've had a bit more time with it now, did some errands today carrying it around, and it rides in my pocket very well. Just the way I like a knife to ride - securely, but comfortably enough that I forget it's there.
 
fcondron...you have to make sure you are not putting any pressure on the top of the blade while you are trying to push the lockbar over to disengage. I usually don't even put my index finger on the the top of the blade (I just have it in place a fraction away) while I disengage the lockbar. Then when it is disengaged, you push with the index finger enough to close a little, then follow through like you say.

Any amount of closing pressure, while you are disengaging the lockbar will cause the sticking feeling. Good luck..I am sure you will enjoy it and be buying more in the future.

When you get the grease...open her up and lube it up. You will get her feeling real smooth.

JT
 
Hi guys,

Just got my first Sebenza as well. It's a very stunning piece of work and I'm very happy with my purchase (from a private seller).

The only thing that I noticed is that my blade is not perfectly centered. Now, can I fix this sort of thing myself or should I send this in for CRK to fix?

Burton
 
I would take it apart first thing and clean up everything on the inside, polish the washers, bearing, pivot, relube, and reassemble. You should then have a Sebenza with a perfectly centered blade!:D
 
OK, I'll give that a try.

BTW, what do I use to polish the washers?
I've never taken a folder apart let alone a piece like this!

Thanks for the reply!

Burton
 
Burton, I use Flitz or Mothers Mag and Aluminum Polish, but any good metal polish will work. I just did picked up some Zebco Reel Grease and used it and had some good results. I would use something along those lines as my lube. Again any good quality grease will work. Try the Sporting Goods Dept. at your Wal-Mart SuperCenter and they will have everything you need! I ought to know as I am a part time Sporting Goods Ass. at the local Super Center:eek: :D

The Mothers is in the auto dept. and Zebco in Sporting Goods.
 
Yup! You were right! I cleaned it up and now it's dead center when closed! But I did discover a very small, tiny ding on the blade edge...ack! O well, sooner or later anyways.

Thanks guys!

Burton
 
If you like your Sebenzas now, just wait till you've used them a while. Enjoy.:)

Paul
 
Originally posted by DaveH


As far as sharpness, I don't think the overall grind will allow it to be "Hair-Poppin'", as it's not a thin blade. (I'm sure someone will say they can get theirs hair-poppin.)

Why yes I can :p They will definitely take a very fine edge. Either a Lansky super fine stone or the Sharpmaker, both followed with a stropping wil leave you with an edge that can take off the tops of free standing hair while even the lightest touch to the skin at the wrong angle will draw blood :cool:
 
What are your opinions about the Edge Pro Apex and the Sebenzas? I've used a Sharpmaker for years, with "ok" results, but I KNOW I'm not very good about keeping the blade very perpendicular. I also tend to "slip" and drag the tip across the edge of the stones - I've blunted the tips on a few of my previous knives this way.

I'm tempted from posts I've read to pick up that Apex system and give it a try, and use the Sharpmaker just for occassional quick touchups. Any comments?

Oh by the way my Sebenza has broken in nicely. Great knife!
 
Hi Frank,

You had asked...

Originally posted by fcondron
What are your opinions about the Edge Pro Apex and the Sebenzas?

I have an EdgePro and have used it for my (standard) Sebenza. It works well, but you have to be careful with how you set things up. With the deep hollow ground on the blade I was having trouble getting and maintaining the correct sharpening angle throughout the entire length of the edge. Here is how I got around that problem...

There is a small area along the spine of the blade that is not ground. I loosened the edge guide up enough to where I could use it to actually clamp the blade into place. So the area near the edge of the blade doesn't touch the EdgePro.

I sharpen that segment of the edge, then I unclamp and move the blade and edge guide and reclamp it. Then I sharpen that section.

Flip it over and repeat.

I finished up with the 3000 grit polishing tape.

Wow! What a beautiful edge!!!

--gordon
 
Hmmm, doing that, it sounds like you wouldn't need to tape the blade to protect it from any 'slurry' either, since the blade wouldn't be touching the table (other than the "clamped" part).

I may pick up one the Apex's, I'm very tempted. I've read every post I can find on the the thing (here, knifeforums, rec.knives, everywhere) and it's like 99% "it's fantastic!" and 1% "it's great but you can scratch the blade if you don't tape it off". Repeatedly it appears that the Apex *and* a Sharpmaker are a great pair to have...
 
Hi Frank,


Originally posted by fcondron
Hmmm, doing that, it sounds like you wouldn't need to tape the blade to protect it from any 'slurry' either, since the blade wouldn't be touching the table (other than the "clamped" part).

You are correct! I do use tape (like Ben recommends) on the end of the blade table. It's that 1" wide blue painter's masking tape. But for the Sebenza that really isn't required. (However, I sharpen ***lots*** of knives with the EdgePro, and for many of them having the tape there is helpful.

After a bit of agonizing I put out the extra bucks to get the EdgePro professional model. I am really pleased with it. Many years ago I worked at Shell Oil's information center. I often went over to their Bellaire Research Center (BRC) and got to work with the folks in the machine shop. The made a lot of custom stuff for us.

The construction of the pro model reminds me of the stuff we used to get from BRC. Heavy duty milled aluminum. Light and strong.

--gordon
 
The Pro one looked fantastic, but I went ahead and ordered the Apex. Also ordered the stone upgrade kit and the video.

I'll let you know how it works out once it arrives in a week or so.
 
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