Fish knives

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hi all,
I have a crazy dry cleaner owner that won't let me pay my bill until I make him a fillet knife. I have no knowledge of what steel to use, how thick to start, or how to harden. His big complaint so far is that he gets too few fillets between sharpening. He is hunting for very large fish and does not want to break in the middle. Any advice? I make mostly chef knives now. Thanks
 
hi all,
I have a crazy dry cleaner owner that won't let me pay my bill until I make him a fillet knife. I have no knowledge of what steel to use, how thick to start, or how to harden. His big complaint so far is that he gets too few fillets between sharpening. He is hunting for very large fish and does not want to break in the middle. Any advice? I make mostly chef knives now. Thanks

I did not know fish where hunted, lol

Joking aside, fillet knives are very task driven. Depends on the size and type of fish and a few other things. The thickness/taper is driven by how much flex is needed and where in the blade.
 
I did not know fish where hunted, lol

Joking aside, fillet knives are very task driven. Depends on the size and type of fish and a few other things. The thickness/taper is driven by how much flex is needed and where in the blade.
They are also driven by culture. A "fish knife" in Tokyo looks very different than one you would see on the dock in Key West. ;)
 
Yeah, besides the points made above about thickness and design, you will also want to know if this guy is fishing in saltwater or not. If so I would suggest something stainless with good corrosion resistance. Cpm154 would be my personal choice. Also I would use a handle material that gets a little grippy when it gets wet such as canvas micarta
 
CPM-S35VN makes excellent fillet knives. It has a good stainless resistance to corrosion, and has a sharp and tough edge. I would use .09/.10"" thick for larger and heavier fillet knives ( tuna, rockfish, drum, etc.), and .06/.07" for smaller fillet knives. Use less distal taper for stiffer blades ( less flex). On a long thin fillet blade, there is no real need for taper except for the last 1/3 to 1/2 of the blade to the tip. The thinness of the steel gives plenty enough flex. I like the tip ( measured about an inch from the point) to be half the thickness of the ricasso.

I make a large fillet knife with a 1" to 1.25" wide blade about 10-14" long. Small fillet knives are usually 3/4" to 1" wide and 6-10" long. For long blades with good flex desired I use the .060" steel. These type blades are popular with flounder and other flatfish fishermen.

Handle type is important, and varies with different type fishing and personal preferences. Some are pretty much the same as a kitchen knife, and others have a deep hand recess, like a fighter, to provide a strong and indexed grip. I like a good recess for the first finger and a slight palm swell with just a bit of a birds head butt..

Avoiding breakage on a fillet blade is usually done by having more flex, not less of it.
Hardness and steel type do not govern flex. Toughness and geometry (thinness and taper) does. Mostly, it is geometry.
The edge life is a product of the steel type (chosen for toughness), and the hardness from HT. Hardness and toughness greatly governs edge retention.
Toughness and hardness are a sliding scale where one increases as the other decreases. You pick the attributes you need/want and find the best balance.

Most makers find a tradeoff that gives the best of both. On a fillet blade in S35VN, I generally use lots of taper and HT to around Rc 61-62.

If your customer wants a long and stiff blade with long edge life, I would suggest you use the .090" CPM-S35VN stock with about a 50% taper starting at the center of the blade. Do the HT ( or have it done) at a point or two lower than you would for a kitchen blade, Rc61-62 would be good.

First, I would draw up a couple fillet knife silhouettes and let him pick the shape he wants. Draw them with 14" blades and shaped like a long boning knife. Let him re-draw on the sketches where he wants the tip to be and the tip shape he likes. Make other adjustments as per his wishes. Once you have a good sketch, proceed from there in steel.

If you have a piece of .060" and .090" stock around, show him both. Some people have no idea what the thickness numbers mean, but can see with their eyes what they like.
I have people ask for a kitchen or fillet knife and say they want it 1/8" thick. First, I show them a piece of .060" stock, and they say, "Yes, that's just right." Then I show them .125" stock, and they realize how thick that is.
 
I recently made one for a long time fishing enthusiast. His name is Barry and he owns Rockhopper fishing. He spent all last week testing it in Montauk and is giving me the full report this week.(although from a quick chat, it performed beyond what he was hoping for. It is CPM20CV @ 60hrc hardness. Blade is 7", handle scales are white G10 & SS Corby Bolts. I believe it to be the best steel you can use for any blade that will see continuous wet conditions. Especially salt water.
 
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Thank you all for your contributions. I am always amazed at how little I know. I will take some drawings to Mr. Kim and bring some steel to show him. I am partial to using CPM154 because it finishes so well. I have a lot to learn so I will get started and keep you all in the loop. On the good side, it is nice to work for a commission. It is so much easier to explain all this to my wife if money is coming in!!
 
Some people are very picky a couple fillet knives. I've got a number of friends who are fishing guides and some of them have 20-30 knives all for different tasks.

If it's someone who fishes a lot placing a custom order, I'll usually suggest they show me a knife they mostly like, and suggest any changes they want. Usually the changes are either not going dull so fast or not breaking in half.
It can save a lot of time getting a design in the ballpark of what they have in mind though
 
Good advice from Geoff there. Ask your customer to show you his favorite knife and tell you if he wants anything different on the new one.

CPM154 makes great knives. I used it for years on kitchen and fillet blades, and still have plenty of blanks unfinished. I switched to CPM-S35VN for the increase in edge life.
 
Great posts at a time when I am lookng for a new saltwater fish knife! Is anyone using the NitroV? I ask as I have a small trout and bird knife made of AEB-L that I like.
 
When I click the play arrow, the video says " This video contains material from Victor Entertainment. It is not available in your country".

You haven't filled out your profile, so I don't know what country you live in. The info in your profile is important for several reasons and you should fill it all out when you get a chance.
 
I apologize if you can't see it guys. I didn't make it or upload it. It was done by my customer. His wife just emailed it to, & I copied/past it here. I wish I could help those who can't see it. I'm in USA and it works here. Turns out I designed a pretty good fishing knife. Not bad for the first one. LOL.
 
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