Fix For Tight or Rough Springs

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I picked up a Queen Cuttlery Railsplitter about 3 weeks ago and it was perfect, except the main blade was very hard to open and close. I'd rate it about a 9, with the other two blades having an ideal pull but a bit rough. I held on to it for a bit trying to decide whether to send it back or live with it. Well I'm can't live with it, so I decided to take a chance and fix it.
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Buck Cadet and Queen Stockman

I spent some time studying my knives and discovered a radius on the tang of some and not others. That radius and better polished tang seemed to make all the difference in a knifes walk. So those are the modifications I'm going to make on my Railsplitter's main blade. This knife was as hard to close as it was to open, so I am going to polish both corners of the tang.
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The first thing I did was prep the file so it would not scratch the liners. A piece of masking tape worked well. You can also tape off any other area of the knife you are worried about scratching. This is a single cut file measuring 1/16 x 7/16 x with about 3 ½ inch of cutting surface, they're available at any hardware store. The pictures show a vice but I only used that for the pictures, the work was done over hanging the edge of the bench.
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I stopped just shy of a full radius on the closing corner. I had achieved my desired results without affecting lock up.
Work very slowly, carefully checking your progress often, you don't want to to remove to much metal. It's one thing to remove metal but take off to much and you will be paying the factory for repair services. Before opening and closing the knife to check your progress flush the knife with a spray can of WD40 to clean out the grit.
As close as I can tell by eye the radius compares to a 3/32nd . drill bit. The Railsplitter is a big knife, on smaller knives you will want to keep it to 1/16th or even 1/32nd.
I worked the radius on the opening and closing corners of the tang. Don't file the end of the tang we'll polish that up latter if needed.

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The stone I used to polish up the tang is a 1/2" x 1/16" x 6"- 600 grit Gesswein RA Stone. These stones are fairly soft and wear to the surface you are polishing fairly easily. Keep the stone wet with some WD40 to keep the stones grit flushed and clean.
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Now you can polish the end of the tang if needed just to further smooth up the action. It wasn't really needed on this knife.

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That little bit of radius and polishing made all the difference in the world, The main blade is now about a 7 which is ideal for me on this knife.

I learned a few things doing this project, first being files don't last long against D2 steel. I went ahead and did the other two blades, only this time I just used stones. (Gesswein Stones, 320 and 600 grit EDM Polishing Stones) The pull on the other blades wasn't hard just a bit gritty to start.
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I had to grind and thin the stones to fit. Next time this issue comes up I'll just start with the stone.
The pull scale is from confucius37.

10 - unable to open by hand
9 - able to open but breaking a nail likely
8 - able to open but very stiff, tough for edc use
7 - firm pull, edc range
6 - ideal edc range
5 - nice for secondary blades, tad light for a main blade
4 - starting to get too light for use
3 - maybe acceptable on very old knives
2 - barely closes
1 - does not stay closed
 
Normally, this would be in Maintenance. It's in Traditional because this "rough spring" issue seems to be occurring on a lot of the newer Queen offerings.
 
Very well illustrated and explained, could be very useful for Traditional enthusiasts, Thank you.
 
Good info and pictures. Gotta remember this thread when I next encounter an issue with the opening/closing of my knives.
 
cool, nice pictures and walkthrough, its funny of all the knives ive bought i have 1 that was an absolute nail breaker, go figure its a Queen, 2010 BFC Moose, i love the knife but only carried it a little while, just a pain to operate.
Im glad you were able to fix yours
Gene
 
Great illustrations and writeup. I've done something similar to modify a knife with strong springs and half stops but I used a set of these small diamond files.
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I have a set of 4 or 5 of those, they came with a set of 1/4 drives. They didn't fit right and I didn't want to put them to my grinder to make them fit. On the other hand I have a boat load of small files and stones so I used what I had on hand.
I guess I could have sent the knife back but Queen seems to be known for this and it happens with other brands as well. Besides I was afraid I might get one back with the same issue.
 
Personally, I would have sent it back. Queen should know if their fit and finish is not acceptable and THEY should fix the problems or they will just keep putting out knives that aren't acceptable. Just my two cents worth.

Best regards

Robin
 
Personally, I would have sent it back. Queen should know if their fit and finish is not acceptable and THEY should fix the problems or they will just keep putting out knives that aren't acceptable. Just my two cents worth.

Best regards

Robin

On the one hand, I agree.
On the other, this is so common that it would be hard to get a replacement that did not have the problem.

My own solution is to follow these instructions, and complain .
 
On the one hand, I agree.
On the other, this is so common that it would be hard to get a replacement that did not have the problem.

My own solution is to follow these instructions, and complain .

That'll work :D

Best regards

Robin
 
Personally, I would have sent it back. Queen should know if their fit and finish is not acceptable and THEY should fix the problems or they will just keep putting out knives that aren't acceptable. Just my two cents worth.

Best regards

Robin

You are right it most sane people would have sent back, guess I'm not one of those people. :) Believe me Pat Vroman at Queens quality control got an ear full. With out being vulgar or ugly Queen got chewed up one side and down the other. With pictures to boot.
I have seen this issue come up more than once on this sub forum. Google search results = (Schrade Old Timer 3OT, GEC #55, #23, #73, #25, #73, Rough Rider, Arthur Wright rosewood lambfoot, TL-29 screwdriver blades, Case peanut, and of course Queen)
There may be many reasons why a knife can't go back for repairs, like overseas shipping or the company doesn't exist anymore.

The issue here was not a tight spring and the prying it with a screw driver, or grinding the back of the spring fixes I'd seen didn't seem safe or wise. This was a knife with out a half stop, yet with the tang so squared off it almost felt like a half stop. So my intention was to return a little knowledge in exchange for the knowledge I have received here.

Best Regards

Dean
 
You are right it most sane people would have sent back, guess I'm not one of those people. :) Believe me Pat Vroman at Queens quality control got an ear full. With out being vulgar or ugly Queen got chewed up one side and down the other. With pictures to boot.
I have seen this issue come up more than once on this sub forum. Google search results = (Schrade Old Timer 3OT, GEC #55, #23, #73, #25, #73, Rough Rider, Arthur Wright rosewood lambfoot, TL-29 screwdriver blades, Case peanut, and of course Queen)
There may be many reasons why a knife can't go back for repairs, like overseas shipping or the company doesn't exist anymore.

The issue here was not a tight spring and the prying it with a screw driver, or grinding the back of the spring fixes I'd seen didn't seem safe or wise. This was a knife with out a half stop, yet with the tang so squared off it almost felt like a half stop. So my intention was to return a little knowledge in exchange for the knowledge I have received here.

Best Regards

Dean

Hi Dean. I hope I didn't give the impression that I was being critical of you doing the work. I was just making a comment on Queens workmanship. I understand the shipping thing, I live in Canada and it's more of a pain than it's worth to send anything back. I have been known to spend a couple of hours filling pin wells with tiny annoying bits of brass rod. :DYour tutorial was great, very detailed and easy to follow. Queen is lucky to have you as a customer :D

Best regards

Robin
 
Hi Dean. I hope I didn't give the impression that I was being critical of you doing the work. I was just making a comment on Queens workmanship. I understand the shipping thing, I live in Canada and it's more of a pain than it's worth to send anything back. I have been known to spend a couple of hours filling pin wells with tiny annoying bits of brass rod. :DYour tutorial was great, very detailed and easy to follow. Queen is lucky to have you as a customer :D

Best regards

Robin

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Hey Robin, we're good. :) Your comment about Queen being lucky to have me as a customer. Should have read X customer. I'm going to have to hear about them making improvements before I buy from them again. No complaints about the knife other than the tang issue and that's a shame too, because I like their D2.
 
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