What is the legal size of a fixed blade that can be carried if not concealed? I'm also interested in purchasing a survival sheath that can be worn on the leg...would this bring too much attention to the knife and get me in some kind of trouble when I'm in public places...ie stores, movie theaters, etc? And lastly are there fixed blade knives besides a double-edged knife that are illegal regardless of how small they are? I need some help...I want to carry my fixed blades.
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Fixed blade carry in CA
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YES....Nick24 said:
In fact, get a lawyer. If you read nothing else here, talk to a lawyer.
Now my rant will begin:
Only when camping or doing an outdoor activity with a *high probability* you will use it. Otherwise, Move to a different state.
I lived in SoCal for 2.5 years. No blade length limits, either fixed or folding *for the state*. Counties and cities have different laws e.g. 2.5" in Fremont IIRC, 3" in parts of LA!
In LA a cop asked about my CS Voyager, I handed it to him, he gave it back saying it can't be showing. The cop said just to put it *in* my pocket, not *on* the pocket.
You see, the pocket clip was visible and LA has a "no open carry of dangerous objects" law in the belief in may "incite voilence."IF YOU WALK INTO A THEATHER IN CALIFORNIA LIKE JAMES BOWIE YOU ARE GOING TO *INCITE* TROUBLE, FOR YOURSELF.
I don't mean to be hard on you but with remarks like this...
...Tell me you have NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!
1)We have a search engine use it and learn. Learn alot, and learn alot of bad news about Cali.
2) The "double-edged knife" in about ten years out of date.
The dictionary says a dagger is a double-edged knife.
California law says a dagger is "any stabing impliment" To include a screwdriver or a pointy stick of even a single edged knife.
3) You know those Tool logic cards? People have been arrested over the "fixed blade" in those. The small 1.5" and 2" fixed blades Cold Steel makes? If it is in your pocket, out of sight, it is FELONY carry of a concealed weapon!
It took me a fews months to learn everything I needed to know about Cali's bass ackward laws.
California Knife laws and some history.
Is the post FOURTH from the bottom on the FIRST page of the Knife Laws forum. You knew where the Knife Laws forum was, you clearly just didnt look.
I am NOT blaming you for asking a question. Asking questions is good. I am criticizing you was not being proactive in looking for the answer yourself.
The mentioned post has the following link. It is when I learned the most about carrying knives in California.
http://www.equalccw.com/knifelaw.html
It is good that you want to carry your knives. More power to you, carry all the knives you can, just do so legally and responsible.
Seriously, consult a lawyer who specializes in weapon/self-defense law about the knife law in you area. Ask about the place where you live, where you work and where you travel to. The piece of mind is worth the money.
It's just a question. No need to try to size me up...I don't have a california attitude. Your problem is that you know a lot so you think people who don't know as much must be stupid or lazy. I have used the search engine on this site and have come up with many posts that I have read and learned from, but I didn't quite understand what they were saying about open carry.
In response to this statement:
I was proactive, but I didn't find my answer. Don't assume what I have or have not done. I've read this article and several other posts for weeks here and I wanted a personal response...is that ok. I may not know a lot, but I don't deserve to be lambasted. If my posts are annoying to you then please feel free not to respond. Thanks for the input, but I had very simple questions that I didn't know the anwers to...that is why I asked them. I will tell you that I don't know a lot about knives or knife laws...that is why I ask and learn.
In response to this statement:
I was proactive, but I didn't find my answer. Don't assume what I have or have not done. I've read this article and several other posts for weeks here and I wanted a personal response...is that ok. I may not know a lot, but I don't deserve to be lambasted. If my posts are annoying to you then please feel free not to respond. Thanks for the input, but I had very simple questions that I didn't know the anwers to...that is why I asked them. I will tell you that I don't know a lot about knives or knife laws...that is why I ask and learn.
I would check here, http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html, under penal code, then go to http://officialcitysites.org/state.php3?st=CA to track down the county and/or city where you live or want to visit and search their codes.Nick24 said:
In my experience, obvious fixed blades will raise eyebrows in urban while they might not get a second glance in a rural or desert town. It also depends on the what you do for a living. I know a civil engineer that carries a sheath with 2 pens and a small fb everyday. He spends a lot of time in the field, dresses appropriately and doesn't flash the knife around.
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Yes I was too hard. I posted before I was finished (my mistake). I edited out the "Cali attitude" in the final draft which before your reply as it had no business being there. Glad to see you staying on top of your posts.
I remember Cali's "no length" limit being clearly stated when I researched for my first knife. That and the parts about theaters and old double edge myth lead me to believe you were young and dumb.
I looked up your old posts, you're just young. Me, I was once young and stupid! I'd like to believe I'm still young.
I'm going to leave the post as it is as I don't hide my errors after the fact.
But I do apologize for the first draft as it was inflammatory. Sorry.
And... I mean it about the lawyer.
OH, THAT'S your question!
If they can see any part of your knife or sheath its open carry. But if your jacket falls over the handle, the cops will bust you and you need to hire a lawyer to make a case so the judge can tell the cop how stupid he is because *what else* would be in a clearly visible knife sheath.
I thought that was on Jim Marchs page but its not. There was a post about two years ago where somebody was followed by police waiting for his jacket to *momentarily* conceal the knife.
In short, don't carry in the cites.
Try this page:
pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/sta-law.htm
But I did assume to much.
BTW it is Always better to ask questions than to stumble upon the wrong answers.
I remember Cali's "no length" limit being clearly stated when I researched for my first knife. That and the parts about theaters and old double edge myth lead me to believe you were young and dumb.
I looked up your old posts, you're just young. Me, I was once young and stupid! I'd like to believe I'm still young.
I'm going to leave the post as it is as I don't hide my errors after the fact.
But I do apologize for the first draft as it was inflammatory. Sorry.
And... I mean it about the lawyer.
Nick24 said:
OH, THAT'S your question!
If they can see any part of your knife or sheath its open carry. But if your jacket falls over the handle, the cops will bust you and you need to hire a lawyer to make a case so the judge can tell the cop how stupid he is because *what else* would be in a clearly visible knife sheath.
I thought that was on Jim Marchs page but its not. There was a post about two years ago where somebody was followed by police waiting for his jacket to *momentarily* conceal the knife.
In short, don't carry in the cites.
Try this page:
pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/sta-law.htm
How do you have a meaningful conversation without "sizing up" the other guy.
I have yet to find a way to communicate over the net without making assumptions. One must glean what one can about those one speaks with.
But I did assume to much.
BTW it is Always better to ask questions than to stumble upon the wrong answers.
Thanks Clint for your last response. I have now found the information I was looking for. My problem is that there is such a wealth of information here and on the other links that are given in the posts that I had not found anything that I could apply to myself. I have asked a few stupid questions on here in the last month, but I suppose it's because I'm new to knife care, handling, and collecting.
I have a lot of questions that probably seem stupid to someone who has even an average amount of knowledge on the subject, but they are genuine. I have no one or place to talk to about these questions but here. Sometimes some of the subjects I'm interested in have been touched on other posts, but I need either more information or maybe a little closer attention to the basics of the topic. Anyways I probably will talk to a lawyer...that was really good advice. No hard feelings...thanks again!
I have a lot of questions that probably seem stupid to someone who has even an average amount of knowledge on the subject, but they are genuine. I have no one or place to talk to about these questions but here. Sometimes some of the subjects I'm interested in have been touched on other posts, but I need either more information or maybe a little closer attention to the basics of the topic. Anyways I probably will talk to a lawyer...that was really good advice. No hard feelings...thanks again!
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In California, I'd just carry any non-auto and non-balisong folder that you want, without worrying about some county or city ordinance on blade length, as long as you don't look like a trouble maker.
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Yeah, it's confusing in California.
I wanted to get a knife from Bass Pro and their site says:
1. Notice Cutlery
The sale of all dangerous knives is restricted by law in New Jersey, New York, Michigan, California, and Illinois. A dangerous knife is defined as any knife having a blade of five (5) inches or more, or an overall length of ten (10) inches or more.
This is the first I've heard of this for California. I carry a FB almost everyday and have never been hassled. But I'm not out to make trouble either.
Wondering if Bass Pro did this just for their own safety or if there is legal merit to it.
Latest I read about CA law was no length limit, as long as it is not concealed.
Does anyone have a new local law thread (the one above is dead)?
I wanted to get a knife from Bass Pro and their site says:
1. Notice Cutlery
The sale of all dangerous knives is restricted by law in New Jersey, New York, Michigan, California, and Illinois. A dangerous knife is defined as any knife having a blade of five (5) inches or more, or an overall length of ten (10) inches or more.
This is the first I've heard of this for California. I carry a FB almost everyday and have never been hassled. But I'm not out to make trouble either.
Wondering if Bass Pro did this just for their own safety or if there is legal merit to it.
Latest I read about CA law was no length limit, as long as it is not concealed.
Does anyone have a new local law thread (the one above is dead)?
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Thanks Morimotom...
Knew about the CA PC but thought maybe something has changed with the new year coming and, possibly, new laws.
Apprecaite also the sticky. I missed that.
Again, thank you...
Knew about the CA PC but thought maybe something has changed with the new year coming and, possibly, new laws.
Apprecaite also the sticky. I missed that.
Again, thank you...