Fixed Blade Legality in MO and NE

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I have no search function so if this has been discussed please lead me to the thread.

Anyway, I spend much of my time in the state of Missouri and Nebraska. I have been carrying a Spyderco folder but I recently purchased a Busse GM that I love. I am basically wondering if I am legal carrying this fixed blade.

I've have read the revised statutes for both states and all I can see is that the length requirement in MO is 4 inches and in NE it is 3.75 inches. At 3 inches, my Busse should be legal but I am wondering if I have missed some clause specifically banning fixed blades. Can anyone help me out here? Is there anyone from one of these two states carrying fixed blades? Thanks ahead of time!
 
I'm not sure about MO, but I'm fairly sure that the length limit for Nebraska is 3.5".

(Hopefully somebody responds with a sure answer, I'd like to know for certain myself.)
 
MO

4" concealled folder (pocket)
Sheathed/fixed blade- no lenght limit, however can not be concealled.
 
Rocketbomb, that's right, I meant to say 3.5 in. for NE. I'm going to just assume that I'm okay because I am within the legal length limit for both states.
 
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Missouri does not allow concealed carry for any knife other than a folding knife under 4 inches.
Nebraska is similar. No concealed carry for fixed knives or automatic knives. Concealed carry is only allowed for folding knives under 3.5 inches. Oh, and balisongs under 3.5 inches.
 
May I ask your source Reffy? Also, I have a concealed carry permit in MO but I'm not sure if knives are included under their CCW law.
 
I've have read the revised statutes for both states and all I can see is that the length requirement in MO is 4 inches and in NE it is 3.75 inches. At 3 inches, my Busse should be legal but I am wondering if I have missed some clause specifically banning fixed blades. Can anyone help me out here? Is there anyone from one of these two states carrying fixed blades? Thanks ahead of time!

I can't help you with MO, but I've read everything I could find for Nebraska, and your (corrected later in thread) note of 3.5 inch limit for Nebraska is accurate. In fact, according to state law, a "knife" is not a legally a "knife" unless it has a blade greater than 3.5 inches:

Knife shall mean any dagger, dirk, knife, or stiletto with a blade over three and one-half inches in length or any other dangerous instrument capable of inflicting cutting, stabbing, or tearing wounds;​

An additional annotation on Section 28-1201 reads:
The Legislature intended the words "with a blade over three and one-half inches" to apply to daggers, dirks, knives, and stilettos, such that any of these items having blades over 3 1/2 inches are "knives" under subsection (4) of this section. Daggers, dirks, knives, or stilettos with blades over 3 1/2 inches are knives per se. When a case involves an instrument not specifically named in subsection (4) of this section, the State bears the burden of proving that the instrument is a dangerous instrument capable of inflicting cutting, stabbing, or tearing wounds, and thus is a "knife" for purposes of section 28-1205(1). State v. Bottolfson, 259 Neb. 470, 610 N.W.2d 378 (2000).​

To my knowledge, Nebraska state law makes no differentiation between folding knives and fixed blade knives. I know when I was looking, I wasn't able to find any laws or statutes that explicitly mentioned "folding knife" or "pocket knife".

The only way to be totally sure would be to consult a lawyer, but I've been carrying a 3" fixed blade knife regularly for a couple of years now without major issue.
 
Thanks Topher. It's good to see you've been doing it in Omaha without incident and not some smaller NE town. I'm in Lincoln for college and I don't worry too much if I leave Lincoln to go to, let's say Crete or someplace like that, but to see you do it in Omaha makes me feel better. I'm gonna say I'm fine.
 
You can carry it, but it won't be legal.
Straight from Nebraska's legislature:http://uniweb.legislature.ne.gov/LegalDocs/view.php?page=s2812002000
(1) (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, any person who carries a weapon or weapons concealed on or about his or her person such as a revolver, pistol, bowie knife, dirk or knife with a dirk blade attachment, brass or iron knuckles, or any other deadly weapon commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon.

There is also a section that gives affirmative defense for someone carrying for self defense. But unfortunately it's awfully worded. It is not clear if it allows carry with the intent of self defense or rather allows the carry of a deadly weapon in a case of being attacked. IE: someone is defending them self and in the process uses a knife. If it was me I would not want to be the test case that sets future precedent.
 
You can carry it, but it won't be legal.
Straight from Nebraska's legislature:http://uniweb.legislature.ne.gov/LegalDocs/view.php?page=s2812002000
(1) (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, any person who carries a weapon or weapons concealed on or about his or her person such as a revolver, pistol, bowie knife, dirk or knife with a dirk blade attachment, brass or iron knuckles, or any other deadly weapon commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon.

You have you step back a bit, and read the whole group. In the same set of statutes, Section 28-1201, titled "Terms, defined.", is:
For purposes of sections 28-1201 to 28-1212, unless the context otherwise requires:

[. . .]

(4) Knife shall mean any dagger, dirk, knife, or stiletto with a blade over three and one-half inches in length or any other dangerous instrument capable of inflicting cutting, stabbing, or tearing wounds;

In other words, for the part you quoted from 28-1202, the term "knife" is being defined in 28-1201 which states that if it has a blade of less than 3.5 inches, it is legally not a knife, and thus not part of the list of potential weapons.

Provided you don't use it as a weapon, there should be no real legal risk to carrying a knife with a blade under 3.5" in length. If it were to go to court, the prosecutor would have to prove as a matter of fact that what you were carrying was a weapon, without the benefit of law or statute to directly back them. However, if you were to use it as a weapon, then you are pretty much making their case even if it has a 1 inch blade (be smart, and you should be fine).
 
Thanks Topher. It's good to see you've been doing it in Omaha without incident and not some smaller NE town.

One thing I'll note, and this probably goes without saying for most of the people on bladeforums, but I do always use common sense when carrying and handling my knives, and in particular my fixed blade knives. If I'm not working outside or camping or something, I try to keep it as discrete as I can, and always go slow and careful when I pull it out to use, if there are people around.

When I'm carrying my Graham Brothers Razel, I have the knife clipped in my pocket, with 2/3 of the handle being all that's visible. When I'm carrying something with a belt sheath, I've found that it helps if I push it together with my leatherman and cell phone at one point on my belt. Having them all together there makes the knife stand out less, so it draws less attention.

Another little trick that a friend showed me, is to keep a small piece of scrap wood in your pocket, too. If anyone ever questions your knife, just pull it out along with the small piece of wood, and do a little whittling. Most people consider it a curious, but harmless, hobby, a reasonable excuse for a knife. . . and personally, I find it to be fun, too. ;-)
 
Although state law incorporates a three and a half inch blade limit in the definition of "knife" applicable to the concealed weapon statute, the overall definition is sufficiently broad as to encompass virtually any type of knife, with any blade length. While your legal analysis is interesting and well worded, it is no where near comprehensive. When determining legality one must not just look at the written law, but the application of such law. The law-abiding citizen should be aware that individuals have been prosecuted, and convicted, for carrying concealed knives with blade lengths as short as 3 inches. NOT 3.5. Still think your 3.5 inch knife is fine to carry in Nebraska? In State v. Pierson a man was convicted for the concealed carry of 3.5 inch knives and they were not used in a fight (as you suggested would be necessary). And those were folding knives. Want to try a fixed blade? I think not. In fact, Omaha, the place you say you've been carrying has expressly forbidden the carry of concealed weapons. Just because you've been carrying and have not been arrested in no way makes it okay.

And as I stated before, you do not want to be a test case for someone else to read about. Nebraska has a historically awful legal history regarding weapon carry. Yes, you probably could carry your knife every day of your life and never be pulled over or arrested. At the same time you very well could be pulled over or arrested and get a concealed weapon conviction. You decide the risk you want to take.
 
Well, if every knife longer than 3.5 inches is a weapon, then the Constitution says that states may not infringe on your right to carry it.
 
Although state law incorporates a three and a half inch blade limit in the definition of "knife" applicable to the concealed weapon statute, the overall definition is sufficiently broad as to encompass virtually any type of knife, with any blade length. While your legal analysis is interesting and well worded, it is no where near comprehensive. When determining legality one must not just look at the written law, but the application of such law. The law-abiding citizen should be aware that individuals have been prosecuted, and convicted, for carrying concealed knives with blade lengths as short as 3 inches. NOT 3.5. Still think your 3.5 inch knife is fine to carry in Nebraska? In State v. Pierson a man was convicted for the concealed carry of 3.5 inch knives and they were not used in a fight (as you suggested would be necessary). And those were folding knives. Want to try a fixed blade? I think not.

Note, I didn't say that it was impossible for you to end up in court for carrying a knife under 3.5". What I said, and what the law states, is that if you are carrying a concealed knife over 3.5", then the fact of the knife being considered a "knife" (and thus a deadly weapon) is a given. If the knife is under 3.5", the prosecution bears the burden of proving that the instrument is a dangerous instrument capable of inflicting serious harm. Only after they prove that point of fact can they actually go after you for carrying a deadly weapon.

I also have to state that the legal analysis is not completely my own. The same general basis of it was given to me by a Douglas County deputy sheriff that I know, who is also a knife collector, as his interpretation of the law. I've also seen other (non-lawyers) come to similar conclusions. Of course, that doesn't in any way mean that a district attorney, judge, or jury is guaranteed to agree.

Also remember that in our litigious society, people have ended up in court for hundreds of asinine things, and lost. It's unfortunate, but it happens all too often. I'm pretty sure you could find a similar case for basically every state in the country.

I'd actually be very curious to read about the case you referenced. Do you have a case number? A quick search didn't find anything looked to match.

In fact, Omaha, the place you say you've been carrying has expressly forbidden the carry of concealed weapons. Just because you've been carrying and have not been arrested in no way makes it okay.

Please note, this thread is not exclusively, or even specifically, about concealed weapons. The fixed blade knife that I carry most frequently is worn on my belt in plain sight.

And as I stated before, you do not want to be a test case for someone else to read about. Nebraska has a historically awful legal history regarding weapon carry. Yes, you probably could carry your knife every day of your life and never be pulled over or arrested. At the same time you very well could be pulled over or arrested and get a concealed weapon conviction.

No, I don't want to be a test case. And I understand that there is a risk, even if it's extremely small. However, I believe that if I use common sense, then the odds are strongly in my favor of not having problems. I don't break the law regularly, so I have few run-ins with police. When I do have to deal with them, I make it a point to always be calm, polite, straightforward, and honest.

You decide the risk you want to take.

Yep, that is correct. I consider the usefulness of carrying a knife worth the small risk.

I have a friend who's a former deputy sheriff, and I've discussed it with him quite a bit, along with some of the other current and former officers I've met through him. Most law enforcement officers aren't "out to get people", and if you are polite and use your head, the chances of them making the leap to arresting you for carrying a small knife without provocation is very slim. It's not non-existent, but it's small enough that I'm okay with it.

I do keep a copy of the knife related statutes in my car, though, in the unlikely case that the matter comes up with a law enforcement officer who hasn't memorized the letter of the law regarding knives. ;-)
 
Missouri does not allow concealed carry for any knife other than a folding knife under 4 inches.
Nebraska is similar. No concealed carry for fixed knives or automatic knives. Concealed carry is only allowed for folding knives under 3.5 inches. Oh, and balisongs under 3.5 inches.

I you have a ccw permit it does nto matter, also it is 4" and smaller.
 
May I ask your source Reffy? Also, I have a concealed carry permit in MO but I'm not sure if knives are included under their CCW law.

CCW, or Concealled Carry Wepon, be it Gun, knife (folder ,auto, fixed,gravity,etc), sap, knuckles, loaded gloves, baton, or any other concealleable device that can be used as a weapon) so yes the law covers all kives, and allowes for the use of a auto open/switch blade. In MO all weapons expect cc guns are allowed in bars and public buildings, unless they are strictly forbidden; where as a sign must be posted.

hope that helps
 
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