Fixing loose handles

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CZ-75A

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I have a WWII, but that isn't the problem - my karda has a loose handle and I'd like to know some good epoxies that would work to reset the blade into the handle.

Thanks.



Oh, and another question for Uncle Bill:

What was the name for those little Tibetan-design bags (with all the little pouches and compartments that folded up into itself) you had several years ago and do you still get any in?
 
There are a lot of different kinds of epoxy out there for sale but, if you want something that finally sets up almost like iron. The best I have used is J B Weld. It doesn't set up quite as fast as a lot of them but I have repaired tractor parts with it.:)
 
I was thinking JB Weld, but wanted to hear suggestions first.

I think I'll hold out for more, or at least a possibility why JB Weld isn't the right thing, before rushing into it.

Thanks.
 
Yeah, I jest, I was trying to think of what Bruise would say.

I wouldn't mind getting some new breakthrough JB Weld for the medical world, though; I'd glue the back of my eye together again.

munk
 
Do Jolas still come in?


Is there some type of pine pitch or something that would work?

Stuff in there now smells like pine, but it's crumbling apart like sawdust.
 
Federico is the pitch guy.

If you search for cutler's resin on this forum, you should find a big thread on it.

From the shop talk forum, it seems a lot of the makers like Brownells acraglass (spelling?), Devcon 2-ton (stay away from the five-minute stuff), and .... JB weld.

The only bad thing I've head said about the JB weld is that some folks much prefer the thinner epoxies for stick tangs bacause it's easier to pour in and completely fill the handle cavity.
 
I saw the pitch thread. JB Weld is way easier to come by, so I guess that's what I'll try.
 
Originally posted by CZ-75A
Do Jolas still come in?


Is there some type of pine pitch or something that would work?
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First of all let me welcome you to the Psycho Ward CZ.:)

Yes, the jolas stil come in occasionally, There should be some in stock.
They're sure handy little things and can carry a whole lot of stuff easily in several different ways.
One problem is the size between the Nepalese and us western folk as they're usually way to small to carry like a back pack.
Mine sure likes a Looonnnggg way from being large enough for me to carry like that anyway.:(

JB-Weld is best for loose parts like buttcaps and such. It can be somewhat runny itself so a piece of masking tape long enough to wrap around whatever you're glueing is a big help!!!! To use simply put a bit of JB in the joint and just start the tape, as you work around the piece with the JB keep wrapping the tape close behind it.

Super glue will usually melt the existing pitch, Himalayan Epoxy or Laha as Bill calls it, for a repair job, great for bolsters where you can't apply much epoxy.
Drip the super glue in until the crevase is ful and prop up knife so that it doesn't run out.
A large amount of super glue in a pool takes longer to dry.;)

The Devcon 2 ton or 30 minute epoxy is best for replacing handles as it doesn't set up as fast which gives you more time to work on it.
It takes some fancy taping to hold the epoxy in place until it sets up enough to keep from running out.
When the 2 ton stuff is still pliable it is easy to trip off excess if so desired.
 
Originally posted by munk
Yeah, I jest, I was trying to think of what Bruise would say.
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Well done! I had to double-check the name attributed to your post. It certainly had the ring of Bruise.:)
 
Yes, the jolas stil come in occasionally, There should be some in stock. They're sure handy little things and can carry a whole lot of stuff easily in several different ways.
One problem is the size between the Nepalese and us western folk as they're usually way to small to carry like a back pack.
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Not for me, but a female, so probably less of a problem.


Thanks for the welcome, Yvsa.

I'm not sure there's enough Laha left to do superglue, as I just poured it out.

Any suggestions about Devcon and places to buy it? My local Wallyworld doesn't have JB Weld, but the Wally Supercenter a few miles away might. Would they possibly carry Devcon?

So, about the tape - do you use it to mask, or as a support to keep the blade and handle in alignment with each other while the epoxy sets? I'm not quite sure what you meant.

Thanks.
 
Originally posted by CZ-75A
Not for me, but a female, so probably less of a problem.


Thanks for the welcome, Yvsa.

I'm not sure there's enough Laha left to do superglue, as I just poured it out.

Any suggestions about Devcon and places to buy it? My local Wallyworld doesn't have JB Weld, but the Wally Supercenter a few miles away might. Would they possibly carry Devcon?

So, about the tape - do you use it to mask, or as a support to keep the blade and handle in alignment with each other while the epoxy sets? I'm not quite sure what you meant.

Thanks.
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CZ Wally World has the Devcon, or at least they do here in Oklahoma.
For some odd reason I've been seeing most of Wally World's glue stock in the paint dept.:confused:
Be sure you get the 30 minute or 2 ton epoxy as the 5 minute stuff dries too dayumed quick!!!!

You can find the JB Weld, and possibly the Devcon, in many different stores such as the local hardware and auto parts. The huge hardware/lumber stores such as Home Depot, Lowes and the like should have them both.

CZ the tape is sorta used for both applications you mention. To totally replace a handle it's best to tape the bolster onto the blade very tight to keep it where you want it.
Then fill the bolster about half way before putting the handle on. Sometimes, if the tang is very tight fitting I fill the handle, upside down, about half way as well.
You have to work quick when you do that so it doesn't all run out while you're placing the handle on the tang.;)
I completely cover the handle with tape so as to not get any epoxy on it.
After the handle is in place I wrap another piece of tape, already torn off, around the handle to bolster joint and then fill the handle to the top.
Then a little epoxy on the buttcap if needed and then the small diamond shaped keeper to help keep them tight.
After it is glued up solid but while still a little flexible I carefully remove all the tape and trim any excess epoxy off.
When the epoxy is fully cured it's then time to peen the tang over the small keeper to permanently lock things in place.
I guarantee if the handle is replaced in this manner it, along with the buttcap and keeper, will never come loose.:)

To just repair a loose buttcap I tape the handle carefully around the top so as to keep any glue off of it.
Then I tear a piece of tape long enough to wrap around the handle at the buttcap and have it ready.
Put a little JB under the buttcap and then stick the tape on about a 1/4 inch, put a little more JB in and pull the tape on around.
When you reach the end the tape will have prevented any of the JB from dripping out.
Seal it up until it's cured to the soft, but not runny, stage and then trim any excess off and the repair is done.:)

Since you've poured out most of the laha you may want to completely remove the handle and redo the whole thing,(?) or you can send the rig to Terry Sisco---- http://www.geocities.com/t_sarki/Sarki_Shop.html and have him fix it up.
That's the best way if a person isn't handy.:D

I hope that clarifies instead of confuses you further.:D
 
Yes, Wecome, CZ.

would that be the actual CZ or a derivative?

most accurate semi auto out of the box I ever grabbed was an Eaa witness. A psychologist friend bought it at my recomendation. He never realized what he had. The bum sold the Savage 99 in 308 too.


munk

edit; this isn't a trick question. You know, guy asks lady technical question to see if she's 'cool'? Nawww. I'm not cool.
 
I don't need the Jola 'til Sept. Uncle Bill, so I really wasn't thinking of buying it just yet.


Yvsa,

This Karda (utility knife) doesn't have a bolster, except a strip of silver foil around the handle, so it's pretty easy to fill w/ whatever epoxy I use. I know I can get JB Weld at most hardware stores, but I wanted to know about Wallyworld since I don't want to run too many places, like Lowes, Home Depot, Auto zone, etc. to get every little thing I need. Thanks for the info.


Munk,

I have both a 1984 CZ-75 and a Swiss ITM AT-84S, with additional CZs eventually. I'd like to find a Savage 99 in .308 with a rotary mag, too.
 
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