Flipper action on ZT 0801 vs. 0600 vs. 056X vs. 0777

RamZar

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Is it just me but the flipper action on my ZT 0801 is by far the best compared to the ones on the other flipper action ZT folders. It acts like assisted opening but none of the spring-loaded kick.

The flipper action on the 0600 is also great. A little slower only I think because the blade is so heavy and long.

The flipper action on the 0777 is actually very good and deploys fully all the time. It's new and may need a little more open/close cycles to be smoother.

The flipper action on my two 0560CBCF, 0560BLK and 0561 are weak by comparison to varying degrees. I definitely need the assist of my wrist to deploy fully in one motion. I have played around with the pivot but the issue exists. I'm okay with it but wish they operated more like the 0801 or even 0600.
 
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Well, I've not know the pivot on the 0560 models to have much effect on the flipping action, as it's more of the detent setup for the most part. That being said, I remember when the 0560s first came out and their detents were very very strong, and had flipping actions similar to the 0801 or any Rexford. It seems that a lot of people complained about the strong detent, and they continued to make them weaker. Personally, I liked them how they were at the start, but leave it to people to ruin a good thing.

Anyway, the 0801 has a detent and flipping action that's similar to an actual Rexford. The detent is wicked hard and ZT did a good job of recreating that feel on the 0801. Now it seems like the detent and flipping action on the 0560CBCF is closer to that of a Gen 3/4 XM-18. The pivot is very smooth, while the detent is more of a medium strength situation. The 0600 is great, and it's not as strong as RJ's custom pieces, but it works well.

The 0777 is just craziness...The detent had a wonderful snap to it, and the made that bearing pivot the smoothest thing I've ever experienced. I can't properly materialize my thoughts on that knife, it's too amazing.
 
sticktodrum said:
The 0777 is just craziness...The detent had a wonderful snap to it, and the made that bearing pivot the smoothest thing I've ever experienced. I can't properly materialize my thoughts on that knife, it's too amazing.
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Yes, I should've excluded the not-of-this-earth 0777 from this equation. :D

sticktodrum said:
Well, I've not know the pivot on the 0560 models to have much effect on the flipping action, as it's more of the detent setup for the most part. That being said, I remember when the 0560s first came out and their detents were very very strong, and had flipping actions similar to the 0801 or any Rexford. It seems that a lot of people complained about the strong detent, and they continued to make them weaker. Personally, I liked them how they were at the start, but leave it to people to ruin a good thing.

Anyway, the 0801 has a detent and flipping action that's similar to an actual Rexford. The detent is wicked hard and ZT did a good job of recreating that feel on the 0801. Now it seems like the detent and flipping action on the 0560CBCF is closer to that of a Gen 3/4 XM-18. The pivot is very smooth, while the detent is more of a medium strength situation. The 0600 is great, and it's not as strong as RJ's custom pieces, but it works well.
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I wonder if I can send in all four of my 0560/1 folders and ask for a "strong" detent so that they operate more like the 0801 or 0600 or like you said the original 0560.
 
sticktodrum said:
Well, I've not know the pivot on the 0560 models to have much effect on the flipping action, as it's more of the detent setup for the most part. That being said, I remember when the 0560s first came out and their detents were very very strong, and had flipping actions similar to the 0801 or any Rexford. It seems that a lot of people complained about the strong detent, and they continued to make them weaker. Personally, I liked them how they were at the start, but leave it to people to ruin a good thing.

Anyway, the 0801 has a detent and flipping action that's similar to an actual Rexford. The detent is wicked hard and ZT did a good job of recreating that feel on the 0801. Now it seems like the detent and flipping action on the 0560CBCF is closer to that of a Gen 3/4 XM-18. The pivot is very smooth, while the detent is more of a medium strength situation. The 0600 is great, and it's not as strong as RJ's custom pieces, but it works well.

The 0777 is just craziness...The detent had a wonderful snap to it, and the made that bearing pivot the smoothest thing I've ever experienced. I can't properly materialize my thoughts on that knife, it's too amazing.
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Well put Stick! A good flipper is a mix of the detent and smoothness of the pivot.
 
My 0600 and 0777 are both absolutely perfect. My 0560CBCF is very close. My 0561 was very good, but the denting was a little weaker. My 0200 is as good as a non-bearing action can get, IMO.
 
My 0600 is noticeably smoother in all aspects. Detent seems to be set perfect were I need zero assist in getting the blade open. I actually do not need to use all my finger strength to snap it open.

My 0801 still does not require full strength. It requires more of a light switch pull to snap it open. I think my lock bar is set pretty stiff. I also think my detent needs more wear in time as that is really the only thing hindering smoothness. It isn't quite as smooth as other bearing knives I have had. I bet if I bent the lockbar back it would be smoother. But I do not mind it being stiff. Nor do I want to mess around with that.
 
All my 560s are nice. One has a really strong detent and I don't really like it. One is perfect and the other is a tad too soft. After experiencing this I am for sure convinced that detet plays a huge roll in getting the blade to fly out. It's the build up of pressure before the detent wants to give up that makes the blade either wimper out halfway and need that extra wrist action or whether it flys out like we all like ;)
 
My 0560CBCF has a higher lockbar relief area than the 0561. Result is a stronger detent. Smoothness is about the same, but I like the 0560CBCF a lot better.

0600 is just phenomenal. Can't say enough good things about it. I never tried a 0777, but I'd have to say it's the nicest ZT I've handled to date.
 
Steel130 said:
My 0801 still does not require full strength. It requires more of a light switch pull to snap it open. I think my lock bar is set pretty stiff. I also think my detent needs more wear in time as that is really the only thing hindering smoothness. It isn't quite as smooth as other bearing knives I have had. I bet if I bent the lockbar back it would be smoother. But I do not mind it being stiff. Nor do I want to mess around with that.
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That's the ticket. I've been using mine since I got it, and it has smoothed out noticeably. You can notice it getting more fluid when you close it, probably after a few hundred openings.
 
sticktodrum said:
Well, I've not know the pivot on the 0560 models to have much effect on the flipping action, as it's more of the detent setup for the most part. That being said, I remember when the 0560s first came out and their detents were very very strong, and had flipping actions similar to the 0801 or any Rexford. It seems that a lot of people complained about the strong detent, and they continued to make them weaker. Personally, I liked them how they were at the start, but leave it to people to ruin a good thing.

Anyway, the 0801 has a detent and flipping action that's similar to an actual Rexford. The detent is wicked hard and ZT did a good job of recreating that feel on the 0801. Now it seems like the detent and flipping action on the 0560CBCF is closer to that of a Gen 3/4 XM-18. The pivot is very smooth, while the detent is more of a medium strength situation. The 0600 is great, and it's not as strong as RJ's custom pieces, but it works well.

The 0777 is just craziness...The detent had a wonderful snap to it, and the made that bearing pivot the smoothest thing I've ever experienced. I can't properly materialize my thoughts on that knife, it's too amazing.
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I would have to agree with this.
 
My 0600 has a crazy stiff detent, and it's the first knife I've experienced with that much. I really like it, and I've also found out that if I have the slightest pressure from any of my fingers pressing on the lockbar, than I can't get it open. I also agree that the speed of the deployment stems from the massive blade's weight and size. I freaking love this knife. I really didn't think I was going to enjoy it to the extent that I have. I can't get it out of my pocket. I haven't cut anything yet, which is funny because my wife just asked me not too long ago if I could cut open a large spaghetti squash for her.....;)
 
My 0600 beats out my 0560CBCF. Need to get one of those 0777 to compare it to :D
 
When I first got my 561 I had a lot of problems learning to flip it. The detente seemed too weak and there was sort of a gritty thing going on with the bearings. I sent it in to ZT and when I got it back the detente seemed better and it was flipping nicely until I put some SLIP 2000 on the bearings, and it started acting the way it did when I first got it. On someone's rec I put a couple of drops of Tuf Glide directly on the pivot without even opening the knife and its now so smooth that I can't keep it from locking out when I scratch the flipper. It's like ice. I just ordered a 600 so we'll see how that goes.
 
freewheeling said:
On someone's rec I put a couple of drops of Tuf Glide directly on the pivot [of 0561] without even opening the knife and its now so smooth that I can't keep it from locking out when I scratch the flipper.
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I'll try that. Thanks.
 
RamZar said:
I wonder if I can send in all four of my 0560/1 folders and ask for a "strong" detent so that they operate more like the 0801 or 0600 or like you said the original 0560.
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A serious percentage of 056X's sent in are because the detents are too strong, or that they just don't know the proper technique of a flipper that has a detent set-up for actual flipping. We've all discussed the detent situation many times here. Detent set-ups have variances to them. Design plays a major role in the way a blade flips. It's near impossible for us to fine tune a detent to anyone's hopeful expectations. While I know this is obvious, it needs to be said. From the sounds of it, your 056X's don't sound warranty worthy.
 
My 561 needs no wrist action and flies out. While I have no experience with the other knives, it sounds like your 560 is a bit off.
 
Kai Corp. said:
Detent set-ups have variances to them.
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That explains why the popular models like the 0350 and 0566 have assisted opening because then deploying the folder is consistent throughout its life (up to a limit) and for a novice to advanced knife user.


Kai Corp. said:
A serious percentage of 056X's sent in are because the detents are too strong, or that they just don't know the proper technique of a flipper that has a detent set-up for actual flipping. We've all discussed the detent situation many times here. Detent set-ups have variances to them. Design plays a major role in the way a blade flips. It's near impossible for us to fine tune a detent to anyone's hopeful expectations. While I know this is obvious, it needs to be said. From the sounds of it, your 056X's don't sound warranty worthy.
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I guess I shouldn't then send them in with a request to tune the detent on my 0560/1 to operate more like my 0801...
 
Let's not forget the Tilt it is by far the best flipper I have or have ever held. It is just perfection!

Anyone have a Tilt and a 0801 or 0600? If so how do they compare?
 
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