Folder in CPM-10V

Bronco

Bronco

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Have any of you gentlemen ever heard tell of such a beast? I know of no folders currently advertised, either production or custom, which offer CPM-10V steel as an option. Any advise on where I can turn would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

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Semper Fi
 
Why not take you favorite folder maker and ask him if he will custom fit a blade to a design. You can then get Phil Wilson to grind and heat treat the blade. NamViet Vo did this awhile back with a fixed blade from Kevin McClung and had Johnny Stout convert it into a folder.

-Cliff
 
Cliff--
The idea certainly has merit. I've even talked with Phil about that, and although he says he is not looking to become a heat treater for other makers, he told me he might consider heat treating one or two folder blades if it's for a maker he trusts.
I'm not sure it would be fair to ask Phil to grind a blade for another maker, however. In fact, I've asked him to do some minor alterations on blades from other makers, and he's not easily persuaded--and I understand his feeling that way.
There are many fit and finish issues that can be screwed up in either the preliminary or finishing stages--and he would have no control over the final product once it left his shop. I know Phil would give it his best effort, and he certainly knows what he's doing in 10V. Problem is, just because a given folder maker has good designs in his repertoire doesn't necessarily mean his first effort with 10V will be his best.
I'd rather not be the guinea pig, and so have avoided that scenario. Might work, might not--but I just don't feel comfortable with those prospects.
Thank you for the suggestion, though.
--Will
 
Well, looks like I'm 0 for 2. Thanks for trying to help guys, but maybe we're looking for that which doesn't exist yet. Let's just hope that "yet" is the operative word in that last sentence. Will, I seriously doubt that we're the only two in these forums who would support such a product.

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Semper Fi
 
Bronco--
No doubt. Of course, by the time 10V has become accepted and available in more knives, Cliff will be telling us his 15V blade outcuts 10V hands down--or some maker will have pushed 3V to a thinner edge at higher HRC and better toughness than 10V, and made a mockery of all others in the process.
I doubt this is the last threshhold we'll cross before finding the "ultimate" blade--fixed or folder.
I also doubt the smiths of the ages ever had a more interesting renaissance in the blademaking arts during which to experiment--I really have no complaints--what more fun could there be than joining in the quest for the next Excalibur?
 
Will, I totally agree. The Holy Grail of steels today is surely destined to become the run of the mill afterthought of tomorrow. That's the way of technology. It's also what makes this place so much fun. We certainly are fortunate to have available the number of steel choices that we currently enjoy. I, for one, would love it if it turns out that CPM-10V is no match for 15V or 9V. But once that's demonstrated I can guarantee you that I'll be right back here looking to see just who's out there making great knives out of that new material.

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Semper Fi
 
I'll be right there with you, pard.

Now, if Jerry Busse would just get that 25-pound INFI folder of his into production. You know, the one with the lock that was tested against nuclear detonation...

[This message has been edited by WILL YORK (edited 04-10-2000).]
 
Yeah, isn't that the one that uses a small block Chevy as a blade fold motor?
 
Bronco--
Just in case you come back to kick this dead horse one more time, what have you heard about 9V? My understanding is that it can't be taken to a high enough hardness to be a realistic high-performance candidate.
 
Will, you may very well be right. I honestly have no personal knowledge of this particular steel and haven't heard of anyone contemplating using it in a knife. I just pulled that out of my backside based on some wear resistance diagrams I ran across on the Carolina Knife website. Sorry for the confusion.

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Semper Fi
 
No problem--just didn't want to take a chance on missing out on something. I certainly don't pretend to be an expert--just an avid student.
(And as stated, psychotherapy patient currently undergoing treatment for B.A.D.--Blade Addictive Disorder. I understand there's little chance of a cure, but I am hopeful that I will be able to remain in treatment on an outpatient basis--meaning I won't actually have to take up residence at the Stamp Clinic in Newfoundland.)
--Will
 
Every blade steel has its good point and bad point. I suggest you look at other items beside JUST edge retention. If thats what you want why not just glass or carbide.
Many steels and other material make great edges but will not work well when pressure is applied to the blade side ways. They snap.
Look for a steel that the all around requirements for your use.


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Darrel--
Your designs articulate elegantly functional lines that would no doubt arouse the most jaded knife customer. Due to my obsessive disorder, I can't place myself in the jaded category; however I have certainly lusted after your creations.
Is there a steel you would recommend over CPM 10V for performance in a 4" utility/hunter, if cutting aggressiveness and edge holding in the toughest practical combination were the criteria? I've intentionally omitted corrosion resistance, because with today's rust prevention products, I find corrosion can be adequately managed even in the heat and humidity of south Texas.
My blade/edge profile preference would be a drop point design of .100" to .125" thick stock, flat ground with distal taper, to about .010" thick at the top of the edge bevel, and with an edge bevel angle of about 15 degrees (30 degrees included).
Thank you in advance for your ideas on the material and design--it's an honor to have your counsel.
--Will York
 
Darrel,
I agree with your point and don't mean to imply that I'm looking for edge retention to the absolute exclusion of all other factors. I simply mean to say that of all the properties a knife steel possesses, edge retention is the one, that for my purposes, is the most important. Based on the way I use a knife of this type I can afford to trade some toughness for increased wear resistance. In fact, before learning of the forums, my daily carry for the past 10 or so years has been a little Boker with a tiny ceramic blade. It's never been super sharp and it's not much to look at, but for someone who didn't have a clue how to properly sharpen a knife, it served me well. And through all the hundreds of sliced boxes and other odd chores it performed, the blade never broke or even chipped for that matter.

Now that I know how to properly sharpen a knife, thanks in large part to the members of this forum, I'm ready for something new. 10V appears to have unparalleled edge retention capabilities (with the possible exception of 15V)combined with the toughness of D2 or M2. I say if you can have your cake and eat it too, why not? I was just looking for the right baker.

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Semper Fi
 
Darrel :

Look for a steel that the all around requirements for your use.
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Which is exactly what Will is doing. This was illustrated in his above comment about the advantage, profile wise, that can be obtained because of the high toughness of CPM-3V. He has clarified this again in his last post in this thread. The discussion is not simply - what is the most wear resistance steel.

Based on the email's we have exchanged, the driving goal is to have a blade material which has the required strength and toughness to hold a very thin edge without deforming or fracturing, an aggressive carbide structure to slice well and finally enough wear resistance to get high level of edge holding.

-Cliff
 
What Cliff said.
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Seriously, Darrel, would you take on a project in 10V?
If not, do you have a suggestion as to a steel which in your mind is a proven better performer, given these criteria, than 10V?
I thought from the tone of your post you might have another steel in mind. If so, as stated, I would appreciate your input.
Thank you--Will
 
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