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SCOUT · Oct 27, 1999

Folding knives have advanced incredibly in the last decade. There are a lot of tremendous steels/locks being produced out there. Why aren't there any M2 axis's or cpm44ov rolling lock Starmates? Is it more lucritive to split up these steel/lock combo's into different folders knowing the ELU'swill have to buy 2 different knives to get the features they want? Any forum member know's that folders like these will sell well. The technology is out there, so when will I see a M2, pinnacle w/ the monolock or a cpm440v Wegner w/ a ti handled integral lock? scout

JoHnYKwSt · Oct 27, 1999

Scout,

The Rolling lock on Spydercos isn't going to happen. The deal Spyderco had with REKAT fell through. Many people are pushing Benchmade to come out with an axis with M2, but Benchmade hasn't confirmed if this is going to happen. An Integral lock Wenger would be very nice, but Integral lock folders are hard to make. I think in order for Spyderco to start making intergral lock folders it would cost quite a bit to start up.

If it was as easy as slapping two things together, I'm sure the companies would do it.

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Chiro75 · Oct 27, 1999

Also look at it from a cost and retail point of view. If you have high-tech locks in one hand and high-tech materials in the other, you can make good knives with great materials and the-not-the-biggest-thing-since-sliced-turkey locking mechanisms. Or, you could put a super lock on a knife with materials that aren't the biggest thing since the last biggest thing came out in the month before it. That way, you get good knives with either scenario at a cost that is a little more manageable for the customer. If you put them together then you are jacking the price significantly and putting the production knife into the realm of the custom as far as pricing goes.

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Longden · Oct 27, 1999

To echo Chiro75, the other perspective that I've gotten from the photographic world, where I wondered why camera models sometimes take a step backwards when the new ones come out....

Many of the features are patented by other makers, and incorporating lots of leading edge features into your latest wazoo gadget means either 1) stealing features from other makers and facing the lawsuits afterwards, or 2) negotiating a royalty fee up front with the patent holder.

Either way, the cost of the item increases and that has to be passed onto the customer.

Sometimes, the manufacturer has to make a call... is this combination of new features and higher price going to be marketable enough to bring in a profit?

I realized that some of us would pay a premium price for a product with no compromises, but then we are a small specialized market segment in a much bigger pond.

So why don't the patent holders, in the interest of ELU's everywhere, just forego their royalty fee? Because they developed their ideas sometimes after years of experimentation and sometimes at great financial and personal cost. The royalty is their payback for all that.

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SCOUT

JoHnYKwSt

Chiro75

Longden