Folder suggestions for fixed blade situations? Strider SMF?

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To make a long story short(ish), I frequently go on trips into some relatively tough North American wooded and desert areas. I am accustomed to gearing up for this sort of thing, with one exception. I am used to taking a single fixed blade knife (in recently years a Fallkniven F1) on this type of trip. However, for many of the trips I have coming up throughout the foreseeable future, I absolutely cannot take a fixed blade with me. This is for completely unavoidable social/political reasons. I wasn't even able to get my little Izula okayed.

The good news is that the only requirement is that it be a "folding knife" (although I'm not going to test the waters by showing up with a Camillus CUDA Maxx ;) which I don't really think would be the right knife for the job anyway ). The other good news is that my knife also does not need to be concealed. Belt carry is considered to be perfectly acceptable. I'm hoping that this opens me up some reasonable options.

This puts me in the unusual (for me, anyway) situation of needing a "folding-fixed-blade" of sorts. I know that there is no such thing... I'm just trying to make the point that I need a strong, high quality, folder, for tackling about as tough of a camp chore as one can imagine tackling with anything less than a hatchet or a machete (and due to gear weight restrictions, occasionally tackling chore that probably should be done by a hatchet or machete ;) ).

The Falkniven F1 has stuck a perfect balance between my gear weight restrictions and the strength, egos and general quality that I tend to demand. With a folding knife restriction added to the mix, I am kind-of at a loss in what to do.

I suppose one could think of what I need as being a kind-of like what people often describe as a "survival folder"--something with which you could do a lot of wood carving, and perhaps even some occasional battoning, while also handling somewhat more delicate tasks like game and food prep. However, unlike a survival folder, my folder is going to need (hopefully) to last a lot longer than 3-7 days.

Just for a little background... Some of the more capable folders I own or have owned in recent years are: CRK Large Sebenza, CRK Small Sebenza (current urban EDC for the past two and a half years), Large Ritter Grip, Small Ritter Grip, BM AFCK, BM940, Spyderco Manix, Camillus CUDA Maxx, Almar Sere 2000.

The Strider SMF seems like a good choice, and it's a knife I have long-considered trying out, anyway. But, I have never owned an SMF, and have nowhere to go, locally, to get my hands on one. I have also considered getting another (sold my old one) large Ritter Grip. For a second I considered getting another (also sold the old one) large Sebenza, but then decided that there wasn't enough strength in it to make it worth choosing over the large Ritter Grip, whose blade shape and grind I prefer for a lot of tasks. In other words I figured that if I'm gonna get a large Seb then I might as well give up a little more strength to get a large Ritter Grip (which is cheap enough to occasionally be replaced when it doesn’t hold up over time), or scrap both and go with the SMF or something similar (which I do not consider cheap and would need to have hold up over time :) ).

What are your thoughts on an SMF filling this role? What about another knife with the right characteristics?

Thanks!

P.S. I won't be carrying more than one knife.
 
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Do you have a price limit?

I have not, nor will I own a Strider for my own reasons so I can not comment on them really. While they are supposed to be folding tanks, do you think they will work well enough for more common camp duties like cooking and cleaning animals?

Are 2 knives absolutely out of the question? If you got a super over built knife then carrying something like your small sebenza IWB could handle all the smaller more common chores.

How long do you have to get the knife? I'm sure you will get some recommendations for custom/semi-custom (like an XM-18 or custom Demko) but time frame will dictate this as well as price.

Any reason you don't think the large Ritter Grip will hold up over time? A full size Rukus is what came to mind but they are getting harder to find.
 
XM-18
SMF
Strider AR
Demko custom AD10
Cold Steel American Lawman
Cold Steel Spartan
CS folding kukri (forgot the name. typing on cell so I can't search right now)
Crusader Forge anything
Zero Tolerance 30x
ZT 0200
Leatherman Wave (works for survivor man)
 
Do you have a price limit?

I have not, nor will I own a Strider for my own reasons so I can not comment on them really. While they are supposed to be folding tanks, do you think they will work well enough for more common camp duties like cooking and cleaning animals?

Are 2 knives absolutely out of the question? If you got a super over built knife then carrying something like your small sebenza IWB could handle all the smaller more common chores.

How long do you have to get the knife? I'm sure you will get some recommendations for custom/semi-custom (like an XM-18 or custom Demko) but time frame will dictate this as well as price.

Any reason you don't think the large Ritter Grip will hold up over time? A full size Rukus is what came to mind but they are getting harder to find.

I don't have a strict price limit but I would like to keep it under $500.

Two weeks until the first trip.

Unfortunately multiple knives are probably not an option, and when forced to choose between good at the hard stuff and bad at the delicate stuff, or visa versa, I tend to choose the former.

I have no have no specific reason for thinking that a Ritter Grip wouldn't hold up. It's more of a general impression--from having owned one in the past--that it won't hold up to repeated use of this type, over a long period of time. I am not familiar with Demko. I will research that. I have looked at the XM-18 also, since it appears to be popular with fans of folders in the "stronger than usual" class. As with the Strider, there is no way to get my hands on one prior to purchase, so I would have to rely on the opinions of others (which has actually served me well in the past).
 
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XM-18
SMF
Strider AR
Demko custom AD10
Cold Steel American Lawman
Cold Steel Spartan
CS folding kukri (forgot the name. typing on cell so I can't search right now)
Crusader Forge anything
Zero Tolerance 30x
ZT 0200
Leatherman Wave (works for survivor man)

I do actually own a leatherman wave (the older version). But not so sure it will make me feel warm and snuggley at night like it does for Les.
Looks like XM-18s are pretty hard to find. Same with the AD10 from what I can tell.
I've found a ZT200 for a good price. Not much more than the price Ritter Grip. It a serious tool, too.
 
Do you happen to be in Law enforcement/ firefighter/ military? If so, I believe you jump to the front of the list when buying an XM-18 straight from Rick Hinderer, especially if you need it in a hurry.

One of the issues I have with Strider are that it seems an unusually high percentage of owners have problems with the knives. A quick search should turn up a lot but sticky locks and other problems seem to be common. If you happened to get a dud then you wouldn't have time to return it.

The new Cold Steel with Triad lock seem to be very popular with a lot of people. The lock IS very strong but I'm not too impressed with the American Lawman that I just received. Many people seem to love them but it seems like it is built like a $50 knife and no more.

The ZT line are very popular heavy duty knives. I have the 0500 MUDD and it has seals on everything to keep dirt out so using it in dirty (or muddy :) conditions it should work great. It is probably the only folder that I can say I can feel absolutely no play and the lock seems strong. The looks are a little strange but it is actually comfortable to hold. The 0300 is more popular although it has a recurve blade.

The Lionsteel SR-1 is a monolithic design (handle made of one piece of titanium) and has a secondary lock. Mine seems like it should be very strong. Probably hard to find although if you are interested I might can point you in the right direction.
 
Are you going to be skinning and cleaning carcasses or eating MREs?
Are you going to have a machete and/or ax?
The Emerson CQC16 has a well shaped blade for camp work from skinning to bacon slicing. And the handle is superbly ergonomic.
It's rugged, easy to strip down and clean, and you can get one direct from Emerson in about a week.
Let us know what you choose.
CP
 
The ZT line are very popular heavy duty knives. I have the 0500 MUDD and it has seals on everything to keep dirt out so using it in dirty (or muddy :) conditions it should work great. It is probably the only folder that I can say I can feel absolutely no play and the lock seems strong. The looks are a little strange but it is actually comfortable to hold. The 0300 is more popular although it has a recurve blade.

+1 on the zt mudd and 0300 series. Some of the best heavy duty folders out there.
 
How about something like the cold steel recon 1 with the triad lock ? Super strong lock, cheap as hell relatively speaking, etc.
 
I'd go with the large Ritter Grip you already own, but if that doesn't do it for you a Benchmade 710 may be the ticket.
 
The Cold Steel Triad-Lock folders are steadily growing more popular and more trusted, and what's more they can be had in blade lengths from 3.5" all the way up to 7.5".

Maybe that XL Espada is just the tough folder you were looking for? :P

On the other hand, the ZT folders have a reputation for toughness that goes beyond how strong their locks are (or how strong they might be). If you're the type to take knife porn seriously, you can find youtube vids of ZT folders being used to split kindling, even copper piping, and stories of lemons or lock failures are few and far between.

Considering that most useful folders are in the 2-5" range, I would probably opt for the ZT myself.
 
ZT 0500 MUDD. If I had to take just one folder on a hike or camping it would be my 500.
 
Is a SAK out of the question? The extra tools help take some pressure off the main blade to perform multiple tasks. The saw on the large locking models is safer than routinely batoning a folding knife. Something like a one hand opening Wenger New Ranger or a Victorinox OH-Trekker. They are also easy to find and replace.

If a single blade folding knife is what you prefer, then the ZT 0300 seems like a solid choice. A Spyderco Chinook 3 would also be worth checking out (an original Manix would be even better if you can score one). And last, but not least, the Cold Steel American Lawman is a great hard use folder for the price.
 
since you like the F1, how about sticking with Fallkniven and getting a PXL?

personally, i'd tell 'em to screw 'emselves and take the F1 anyways.
 
How about a nice ZT 0301?

Ankerson really sold me on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T51UfbfUXlU

If he can do all that and still announce "Zero Blade Play" after all of it, it's tough enough for me:thumbup:. Opening and closing is smooth as a foot stepping on greased porcelain(which is very smooth indeed). And the durability of that coating is quite simply legendary.

If you're far from civilization and can't do any sharpening for a while, the long lasting working edge of S30V is just perfect.
 
Are you going to be skinning and cleaning carcasses or eating MREs?
Are you going to have a machete and/or ax?
The Emerson CQC16 has a well shaped blade for camp work from skinning to bacon slicing. And the handle is superbly ergonomic.
It's rugged, easy to strip down and clean, and you can get one direct from Emerson in about a week.
Let us know what you choose.
CP
Probably 75% of the trips will be packed-in, light weight, MRE-type food. But, there will still be a fair amount of game and/or packed-in food prep required of the blade. Not enough to make that the blade's primary purpose-driven design, but enough to consider it as a secondary or tertiary purpose when choosing a blade.
 
How about something like the cold steel recon 1 with the triad lock ? Super strong lock, cheap as hell relatively speaking, etc.
I've never really looked to seriously at Cold Steel knives. I have owned one or two, but it has been many years since then. They get enough mentions though that I guess I should give them a second look.
 
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