Folksy times.

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I wonder how many of us look at the smooth worn jigged handle of an old jackknife, or stockman, and wonder about the man who gave it all that use. I look at vintage knives and I feel envy. I look at them, and think about the simpler times people lived in, when phones had this rotating thing you put you finger in and turned. And the phone stayed in the house. When carrying a knife was not only normal, but when a lady had a thread to cut off, or a package to open and you didn't have a knife, then you were thought less of. Not being prepared for life.

I've often felt highly annoyed that I did not live in my grandads time. A time when a man could start his own buisness with a bit of saved up money, and still mangage to buy a house. We here on the traditional forum have been called folksy by some, but I wonder if its just a case of having older values.

It must have been nice in the days when a kid could save up a little money and buy an old jallopy, and there in the driveway on Saturday morning his dad would give him a hand rebuilding the motor. By Sunday morning, the kid would know most of what he needed to know about keeping it running. I guess nowadays you need a 50,000 dollar computer to just find out whats wrong. I think this contributes to a society that picks up the cell phone at the drop of a hat instead of taking a moment to look it over and see if theres something they can do. Find a loose wire, blown fuse. Thats why most of those old timers we idolize carried thier little tobacco tins or candy tins with some paper clips, a few odd screws and nuts, some electical tape. They were fixers and doers. Like stockmans (Peter) granddad.

Maybe that why even though I love to look at the well worn little two blade pen and jack's that were so typical of the era of our grandfathers, I feel a little sad because it was a time I liked. A simple knife for simple times. Cooking up a dinner in a well seasoned cast iron pan, smoking a well broken in brier pipe without somebody giving you grief for smoking, and taking out your pocket knife in public to cut something, or just whittle, without getting weird looks from passerbys. Too bad buisnesses don't have a front porch anymore where one can pull up a chair or box and whittle while you swap fishing or hunting tales with the other men in the liers circle.

I wonder how many here collect those old trappers or peanuts, or whittlers, because they make you think of a simpler time when life was a little slower, a little more basic, and alot more enjoyable. I know thats one thing I like about the slip joints; it makes one slow down a little bit and think about what you are doing. You have to deliberatly put a nail in the nail nick and pull open the blade, and think about carefull cutting as there is no lock on the blade. You have to slow down and pay attention.

I keep thinking of that scene in the Tom Selleck western with old Wilford Brimley. A young guy is working away at rasping a horse's hoof prior to shoeing. Old Wilford comes along and shows him how to take a swipe that way, then this way, in an easy mannor, and tells the kid "Slow down, you'll have a more harmonious outcome."

I guess its tempting to have a knife that with a flick of the thumb or blink of an eye, its open and ready. But I guess I like to slow down, take a puff on a pipe, select which blade I want, and do a carefull job. Maybe thats the root of why I love traditional pocket knives; I'm after a more harmonious outcome.

What folksy thought go through your head when you look at an old-----?
 
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Well said, though I both agree and disagree. A slipjoint feels better in my hand than a modern “tactical”, the lure and romance of days gone by also has its appeal. On the other hand, “the good old days” were days of back-breaking labour, where diseases which are easily treatable today would render the afflicted a cripple, where malnourishment and hunger was all too common. I feel the glasses we use to look back on our past are too often rose tinted.

I think people today are pretty much the same as people in the 1880ies, or the 880ies for that matter. The difference is that we today have a higher standard of living and live more densely packed. But, that is why I find it supremely important to slow down, for a more harminous outcome, because that is something we need just as much today as yesterday. Probably even more. I often say that I think people who talk slowly to each other, usually say just as much to each other as people who move their mouths as fast as anatomically possible to fill the silence which seems to scare them.

Relax, whittle a bit, smell the apple before you bite. We can do that today just as well as the people who went before us.

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As long as we still can find an apple which has not been ruined through cultivation just to be sweet tasting and cosmetically perfect, but with none of that wonderful apple fragrance.
 
I like slippies for the simple warmth of organic elements. Carbon fiber, G10, and Alox, don't really have that warm feel to it. Interestingly enough, we do things faster these day. However, we don't seem to have enough time anything. Back when people lived at a slower pace. They never seemed to be in a rush.

God Bless
 
KWL, If you think people didn't get in a hurry back in those days you should've had a job in steel erection.
 
I live in a very rural area, all old farmland, most of the Old Timers 'round here carry old Stockmans, Trappers and Jacks but their kids all carry fleamarket Pakistan made Tactacal Wannabes.

Sunday mornin' while the family's at church you'll see the Old Timers sittin' in the diner carvin' up the breakfast meats with the same knife they used to open a sack of feed corn the night before.

On average most of their knives are 20 years old or older and sharpened to within' a shadow of their formerself.
 
JK,

How very true. I'm only 32 (33 soon...:)) and I definitely yearn for a simply, more 'earthy' existence. Heck, I've never even had the chance to meet most of your guys and shake your hands. For all I know, you could be computer programs taught to talk about knives, etc....

but I digress...

I'm from a small town in PA originally and I recall having saturday breakfast at the Baron stiegal restaurant. Old folks talking and youngins sitting there listening to stories of this happening and that happening.

I definitely wish for a simpler life.
 
Hi,

Those slippies of ours do sometimes evoke a dimly sensed link to the past. But life was no more simple then, as compared to today.

I guess I'm old enough that when I see those old folders, I see memories of my childhood. The easy movements of day to day life. Faces of family and neighbors.

bdws1975, your just a youngin' yet, I got a pair of tennis shoes as old as you.:D:D But, kidding aside, wait awhile. There will come a time in the far future when the sight of such things will evoke memories for you. You just haven't got there quite yet. It might not be a Case Peanut, but rather a Pakistani tacti-cool tanto. But the memories will be no less important to you. Just make sure you pass those memories on. Lest we forget where we came from. And if you wish for a simple life, just live simply. And living simply comes from the inside of you. It's not tied to a place or time.

dalee
 
I'm from a small town in PA originally and I recall having saturday breakfast at the Baron stiegal restaurant. Old folks talking and youngins sitting there listening to stories of this happening and that happening.


I swear, all the hours I spent in a classroom in my younger day, I never learned as much practical information as hanging around the liers circle, or from the men my grandad hunted quail with. Learned stuff that no teacher ever put on a blackboard. I think each one of those rough old cobs knew more about getting on in the world than an army of the survival types.

For most of the human existance from the cave on, young ones learned from listening to the elders as they sat around the fire at night. The old hunters and warriors would tell their tales, and a boy listened well and learned. Now they have the internet and video games. They aren't learning how to skin out those squirrels gathered with an old .22 rifle, for a nice Brunswick stew. Or a host of other things handy to know.
 
I swear, all the hours I spent in a classroom in my younger day, I never learned as much practical information as hanging around the liers circle, or from the men my grandad hunted quail with. Learned stuff that no teacher ever put on a blackboard. I think each one of those rough old cobs knew more about getting on in the world than an army of the survival types.

For most of the human existance from the cave on, young ones learned from listening to the elders as they sat around the fire at night. The old hunters and warriors would tell their tales, and a boy listened well and learned. Now they have the internet and video games. They aren't learning how to skin out those squirrels gathered with an old .22 rifle, for a nice Brunswick stew. Or a host of other things handy to know.
\yes I agree with you about the simpler times. By trade
I am a electrical engineer. I have traveled all over the world
to make the most money. When I turned 50 years old I ask
myself If I was happy with my life. The answer was no. I grew up on a ranch in Texas. and could not Waite to live and see the world. Now I am back on a ranch in east Texas
and very happy. It is a lot slower life. And a small town.
is just 15 miles down the road from me. We meet at the feed store every morning at 9am to drink coffee and swap lies also a little knife swaping go on and some whittling to
The company I use to work for called the other day and ask if I would like to do a job in south America for the next two years . They would pay very well. My reply was you don't have the kind of money it would take to get me back in the rat race. I am only sorry it tuck so long for me to come to my senses. I love it hear .

PS the town only has 1200 people including the outlying ranchers
 
I wonder how many of us look at the smooth worn jigged handle of an old jackknife, or stockman, and wonder about the man who gave it all that use.

The three best slipjoints in my entire collection are three old, worn out, beat up pocket knives that I inherited from my grandfathers; they're the reason slipjoints are my favorite types of knives. The condition of all three tells me they've earned their days of peace now.

I know some of the stories, wish I knew more...

thx - cpr
 
Things are still slow here in south Mississippi. Out on the courthouse, in our town, there is still a bench where the old men sit and whittle. Also, the older fellows hang out at the feed store or the Co-op and swap tales. Not many tactical knives in our little town. Plenty of Case knives for sale though........
 
I too like to look at an old knife, be it one that was my Grandads or one that I picked up somewhere..
They do not have the sparkle that a new knife has, but in a lot of ways they offer something more.
The previous owner no doubt used that knife for many tasks. It may have been the only knife they owned, and for them it was a trusted friend.

This is one of the things that really sparked my interest when I started collecting old Winchesters. The old lever guns from the late 1800's to the mid 1900's. The great thing about them is that there is a lot of traceable history to be found about these particular guns. When I would uncover some info on a particular rifle, my mind would wander back and it would become like a movie. Reliving the history and stories. Some were good and some were bad.

I'm only 47 years old but my wife says I was born about 150 years late...
I know that all was not easy for the people of that time, but people could be trusted. A mans word was considered Gold, and folks helped others without expectation. They were self reliant and hard working because they had to be, and with this came strength and character..

I learned so much more from my Grandad who passed away about three years ago at the age of 93, than I could ever learn in a school.

We all lead busy lives these days, but we have to allow ourselves time to slow down and really appreciate the simple things.
 
I've often felt highly annoyed that I did not live in my grandads time. A time when a man could start his own buisness with a bit of saved up money, and still mangage to buy a house. We here on the traditional forum have been called folksy by some, but I wonder if its just a case of having older values.

It must have been nice in the days when a kid could save up a little money and buy an old jallopy, and there in the driveway on Saturday morning his dad would give him a hand rebuilding the motor. By Sunday morning, the kid would know most of what he needed to know about keeping it running. I guess nowadays you need a 50,000 dollar computer to just find out whats wrong. I think this contributes to a society that picks up the cell phone at the drop of a hat instead of taking a moment to look it over and see if theres something they can do. Find a loose wire, blown fuse. Thats why most of those old timers we idolize carried thier little tobacco tins or candy tins with some paper clips, a few odd screws and nuts, some electical tape. They were fixers and doers. Like stockmans (Peter) granddad.

I wonder how many here collect those old trappers or peanuts, or whittlers, because they make you think of a simpler time when life was a little slower, a little more basic, and alot more enjoyable. I know thats one thing I like about the slip joints; it makes one slow down a little bit and think about what you are doing. You have to deliberatly put a nail in the nail nick and pull open the blade, and think about carefull cutting as there is no lock on the blade. You have to slow down and pay attention.

Even though I'm only 18, and only know about the old days from my grandfather, and some of the friends I made when I spend a year in the US of A, all of 'em are 50+, I am proud to be part of a small group, that try to preserve older values.

My grandfather was probably the most influential person in my life, to that bad I didnt realize that, until my quest to find his belongings was accidentally sabotaged by my aunt.
That didnt change my knife carrying habits (I never felt anything for tactical folders, and only handled some of my friends spyders), but it made me appreciate what he thought me, and I started carrying a candy tin like he did.

I've been told by a lot of people, that I am born 90 years too late, most notably by a son of a German immigrant that came to the states at the turn of the century and settled in north-eastern Colorado. He said I reminded him a lot of his dad.
And I do think the best place to live for me is just outside a small rural town in the midwest.

Peter
 
I have an old Camillus #17 jackknife and an even older Remington Cattle knife, both with worn blades and heavy patinas...they both speak to my very soul! I grew up in those times myself, jackknife...my Grandparents were born in the 1880's and 1890's. Their world was even vastly different than when I was growing up in the 1950's and early 1960's and listening to them talk about their youth. I do feel that draw to a simpler time and a simpler life. Which is why my wife and I live on a small ranch in Texas with cows, horses, ducks, llamas, dogs, cats and guineas!

Ron
 
The simpler life of times passed is mostly a fiction.

I enjoy Jackknife's stories as much as anyone, as well as the "Old Man and the Boy'' tales of Robert Ruark, but do not mistake nostalgia for reality.

We remember the past that way because we remember the stories of those who made it through to a certain point, and dwelt on the good times, not the bad. We also remember the past as simpler because we heard those tales when we were young, and life was simpler for us at that time.

The old timers had to work harder to exist than most of us do nowdays. Go to a library and read 100 yr. old newspapers, and see the tragedy and foul deeds reported. There were just as many, proportionately, then as now. We just hear about more of it because there are more of us, and news from all over the world is quickly available.

Go for a walk in an old cemetary, and find the stones of the young children lost to many families to simple diseases, or those of young wives who died giving birth to those children. Look for the flags on the graves of veterans.

They suffered economic hardship without public assistance.

If you want that life, cut your grass with a push mower this afternoon, and then walk to the grocery store for your dinner. Better yet, plant a garden, buy a cow and two dozen chickens, and care for them daily. Give up your cell phone, TV, and the computer you're looking at, and take your only pocket knife over to your neighbor's house and sit on the porch and visit awhile.

The opportunities for a simple life are greater now than ever, by taking the best from the past and the present.

If you want a simpler life, choose to live however you imagine that to be. The oldtimers had no choice.

JMO
Fran
 
If you want that life, cut your grass with a push mower this afternoon, and then walk to the grocery store for your dinner. Better yet, plant a garden, buy a cow and two dozen chickens, and care for them daily. Give up your cell phone, TV, and the computer you're looking at, and take your only pocket knife over to your neighbor's house and sit on the porch and visit awhile.

If you want a simpler life, choose to live however you imagine that to be. The oldtimers had no choice.

The problem is that my neighbors dont like knives, and are in a hurry 24/7. So right now, bf traditional forum is my front porch of choice. I do plant a garden and use a push mower, but dont have the room for lifestock.
There ain't nothin' good on TV anyway...

You get my point ;-)

I do realize, that others consider their life simple because they dont have to do anything themselves, but I would feel helpless.
I dont think its the simple life, when I have to explain to at least 3 people why I carry a knife before I can cut something.

edit: If I could chose to live how I want to, I wouldn't be here right now - but since I cant Im sittin on my virtual front porch..

peter
 
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I am 29 and recently married. My/our dream is to move to the country when we retire. I have been working out in the country a ways lately. Everytime I drive through the country I feel like I am making a big mistake.

I think why wait and retire to the country. Who says I will live to see my retirement. Why wait, I should enjoy my life now. I live in an area with such traffic it makes your heart race to try and pull out into it.

That being said. I also would love a simpler life and have felt as though I was born in the wrong time. I miss my Great Grandfather.

Great thread btw jackknife and great posts everyone.
 
If you want a simpler life, choose to live however you imagine that to be.

This is a very important notion. I don't want to debate how good things might or might not have been in the "old days" (though I KNOW the music was better!). But let's think about today.

What law is it that says we HAVE to hurry all the time?

What law says we HAVE to be glued to the TV? Forget media bias you perceive on this channel or that - I'm here to tell you it's very very liberating to just turn off the damn tube! The same way that uncluttering your life of things and distractions (something jackknife has often written about here) induces a state of peace and contentment, so too does intentionally unplugging a bit from today's hectic pace of life. I'm not saying be a hermit. But I AM saying we can take from our grandfathers a lot more than just the habit of carrying a good pocketknife. Somehow back in the day, 30 minutes of nightly news or some time spent reading a newspaper over a cup of coffee was enough to keep us informed. We didn't need 24-hour news channels that are 50% full of pundits (the professional wrestlers of modern discourse) just spewing hot air, and about 40% full of sensationalist local reports from somewhere across the country that will never ever ever have any bearing on your life ("Today in Scranton, a man robbed a bank with a dead carp before stealing a lawn mower to escape - we go now to live coverage of him being arraigned..."). Horse s**t. Utter, worthless horses**t. And yet somehow we all get suckered into this lifestyle where "there's never enough time to..."

Somehow back in the day people took the time to talk with each other, to read a book, to maybe go to a concert, to take a walk. How'd they find the time? Well, they hadn't yet bought into the bogus notion that - if we don't spend 8 hours a day watching other people do interesting things rather than just doing some interesting things ourselves - that we won't be in the know. We won't know what's going on. We won't be (gasp!) hip.

Well, I'm hear to tell you guys. There IS enough time. THESE are the good old days if you'll let 'em be.

As John Prine sings,

"Blow up your TV, throw away your paper,
Go to the country, build you a home,
Plant a little garden, eat a lot of peaches
Try an find Jesus on your own...
"
 
For most of the human existance from the cave on, young ones learned from listening to the elders as they sat around the fire at night. The old hunters and warriors would tell their tales, and a boy listened well and learned. Now they have the internet and video games. They aren't learning how to skin out those squirrels gathered with an old .22 rifle, for a nice Brunswick stew. Or a host of other things handy to know.

Hi,

Well we maybe have to blame ourselves Jackknife if they don't learn to skin a squirrel. Because we don't see to it they do learn. So we need to start our own liar's circles. We need to become those crusty, tobacco chewin', reprobates.

I've been trying for the last 10-15 years to pass it along. Everything from that squirrel skinin' to duck calling, to making soap, to brewing beer and smoking hams. These are things my Wife and I grew up doing. Sometimes they eagerly enjoy learning these things, and sometimes it seems to fall on deaf ears. Me and my Wife learned these things because we needed to. I hope that nobody ever needs to do these things to live. But rather, I try to pass it on in hopes that it shows others who I am. And selfishly, I want to be remembered.

To bring this back to a more knife related topic. I went to a gun show yesterday with my daughter. I was hoping to score a nice carbon steel whittler of some kind, or perhaps a peanut. Several knife dealers were in attendance with good selections. But the prices!!:eek: $80 for a new Case Peanut!! $15 to $40 for broken tipped, over sharpened, wore out, Old Timer stockmen. I expect people to make a profit on me when I buy, but at those prices I should get a kiss too!!!! One dealer had a couple of Opinels that were properly priced. Should have bought the No.4 and 6 he had. But I'm not going to drive 50 miles back there for them.

Just sittin' on the front porch,

dalee
 
My move to western NC in the Blue Ridge Mountains was prompted by a desire to return to a semblance of the past that most of us are alluding to here.

I live a few miles outside of a town of 7,000 on a small property surrounded by national and state forests.

A gravel road leaves the county road to reach my home and I have to walk just under a half mile (with my dog) to check the mail.

I enjoy working in our woods or clearing brush or removing weeds and growth with hand tools...axes, goloks, manual grass whips and the like. It's quieter, gives me some exercise I don't get with my bi-weekly weight training, and keeps me outside with the dog and closer to mother nature.

Yes, it's a choice and a choice I couldn't wait to make. I actually bought my home here six months before I was eligible to retire because I wanted to force myself to leave the rat race that 20+ years of law enforcement in NYC and South Florida had accustomed me to.

I have never looked back or regretted my decision.

I agree with Fran that not everything about the lifestyle of generations before us is something we want to emulate. But there sure is a lot worth preserving and trying to instill in our daily lives as we live them today. (In my humble opinion.)
 
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