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Glock26

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Okay forgive me if i am posting this in the wrong section, i am not sure where to post it! But here it goes:

Okay, this is regarding California law. I'm a frequent licensed fishermen, i enjoy being out by the river catching wild trout or just being at a city lake or a lake secluded out around the sierras. Many of you know the reasons to carry a firearm, no discussion there.
Mainly my question is about the legalities involved, under Ca gun laws.

May someone please clarify this with me, tomorrow i'm going to be calling the department fish and game about this.

POSSESSION AND TRANSPORTATION OF CONCEALED WEAPONS

PC. 12025 does not apply to or affect the lawful transportation or possession of a firearm under specific circumstances, including, but not limited to, the following:

"Licensed hunters or fisherman while engaged in hunting or fishing, or while going to or returning from such hunting or fishing expedition."

And so , does this mean i may carry a concealed firearm while i am engaging in my fishing expedition out by the sierras? Please tell me if my interpretation is wrong. thanks in advance.

(Don't worry friends i always have a knife on me, but a firearm is questionable, reason i'm asking)
 
You can carry a gun in any National FOREST
(concealed or not...your choice)
A National PARK it is illegal
Although there was recent legeslation to allow CCW holders to carry in a National Park..I believe...
 
I'm a licensed hunting and fishing guide in California. I usually carry a loaded .357 or .44 while fishing in remote areas of the Sierras and have never had it be a problem. I don't believe that there are any laws against carrying a handgun in the "wilderness" regardless of what activity you are doing, unless you are bow hunting during archery season or it's explicitly stated in the area you are in. BLM should be Ok too. Just no national parks, schools, etc.
 
Trent is correct, but if I remember correctly, that was an addendum that was tagged onto another bill that doesn't go into effect until January of '11. That won't help you out too much tomorrow.
 
I'm almost positive that all the vehicle laws apply no matter where you are. Meaning, firearm and ammo must be stored separately in any vehicle, including but not limited to cars, trucks, jeeps, ATV's, UTV's, motorcycles, etc. on or off any road.
 
Thanks, i feel better about having some form of last resort self preservation especially when i'm in the beautiful sierras. Heck my dad had a close call, luckily the bears just took his trout! And it is true when you're fishing, hiking you're in the 'zone' and all you care about is the fish!
 
update: i had a great conversation with an Lt. from the department fish and game. Accordingly, he said regarding to ccw while fishing and hunting. Accordingly, "It's perfectly fine/legal." And he said be sure to check where you are fishing, mostly national forests you are perfectly fine.
He also said, "You can do it," referring to carrying concealed firearm. Although the only thing he said, " I would much rather see a fisherman, hunter carrying it 'openly,' nevertheless it is legal. On the side note, from officer safety standpoint, "he expects everyone to be armed," well i said it makes sense. He was a good guy to talk to.
 
Go catch some fish and good luck. Remember, if you get that "feeling" that you're being watched or followed, you might be getting stalked by a big cat or bear. Get your gun out, raise your arms and wave them around to make yourself look bigger, and yell loudly.
 
Planetcat, what kind of revolver you carry? Ruger? Also what kind of encounters have you had in the outdoor environment and with the law?

Next, when you have encounters with the law enforcement personnel, do you need to tell them about your penal codes that you exercise while you're doing your hunting/fishing guides?
 
Glock26,

I mostly hunt, so it's probably a little different than fishing as LE see's me and my party with firearms right off the bat. If it's F&G, all they really care about is adhering to proper game take laws, weapons, copper in lead free zone, 3 shells or less for shotgunning, no shooting near roads, proper tags, etc. If it's police or sheriff, they care about carry laws and safety, especially in/around vehicles, roads, and other public places. I've been checked duck hunting for # birds, type, and sex, as well as had me unload my shotgun to make sure I didn't have more than 3 rounds in it. I've run into sheriffs on my ATV where I had a loaded sidearm on my belt and my buddy had his Glock 21C loaded in the ATV bag. We were way up in remote Plumas County and he glanced at them, but didn't say anything. I was told last summer during A zone archery by a game warden that I couldn't ride my buddy's son on the back of my ATV. Why he cared about that, I don't know. Like you said in your earlier post, I think it's best to not conceal anything, and especially don't give them any attitude unless a ticket is inevitable. Admittedly, when hunting on private ranches or remote areas in jeep or ATV, we've been known to keep our guns loaded in the vehicle, since we're "road hunting". If we got called on it by LE, I really couldn't dispute it and would have to take my lumps.

The most eye opening encounter was getting charged by a 300 lb. wounded boar (hog). With one leg shattered by a bad shot (by me), he sprinted 75 yards in less than 5 seconds. I saw my buddy's .357 part the hair on it's skull at about 30 yards, and it dropped 5 feet away after emptying my .270 and my buddy unloading his .357 on it. That's when I bought my .44. I shot a hog in Visalia earlier this year and dispatched it with the .44 mag. I can tell you that there is a huge difference in the aftermath between the .44 and .357, even using all copper Barnes bullets. All though I love my .357, I now only carry the .44, especially in bear country.

All the bears I've seen have been up in Plumas and Trinity, and they run away as fast as they can. This summer in B zone archery, me and 3 other ATVs going up a fire road were stalked by a huge mountain lion that we didn't see at first. After a few seconds, it decided it couldn't take us all, and bolted in front of the lead quad across the road. It was a good 6-7' long from tail to head. Very scary, as he could have easily taken half of us out before getting arrowed. Here, no firearms allowed whatsoever.

When I fish, sometimes by boat, I usually keep the .357 loaded in my backpack. It would be a violation in the boat, but I don't like running into weirdo's or meth heads unprotected in the wilderness. I always take a big can of pepper spray, too. I would prefer a non-lethal resolution with a human. For some reason, all the areas I hunt attract meth labs.:mad:

All my revolvers are Rugers, and frankly it's because they cost less than S&W's. I have the serial #27 new model blackhawk in .41 mag which was made in 1971 and still shoots like new. My gp100 .357 is about 6-7 years old and has been through hell and still shoots great. The redhawk .44 is relatively new, but a great powerful weapon for the price. I like 4" barrels, too. For home defense, Kimber Custom II .45 ACP.

Bottom line, is be aware of the laws in effect of where you are going. Even the grumpiest LE officer will have a hard time writing you up if you're legit. You might even get some good tips out of him (or her). And keep your sidearm readily available. If it's in a backpack or case, you'll be poop before you can get it out to protect yourself against a predator. Hope that helps. Sorry for rambling. I can talk about hunting for hours.
 
Thanks alot bud, had a great time reading up on your experiences! They way i'll be carrying my .357 is on my waders, in my big overall pocket, right on top of my chest. Or in a IWB. Let's see some hunting pictures if you don't mind. also what kind of knife do you carry?
 
Hey, Glock. I carried a standard Gerber Gator (an old original from Oregon) for many years and skinned/gutted countless hogs and fish with it. Then started going knife crazy and now carry Al Mar SERE Operator in VG-10 or my SOG Team Leader Duratech 20CV. I'm partial to 5" blades on fixed knives. Both of these knives hold a really good edge and stay super sharp. I recently got a BM griptillian, which is a little lighter and handier for smaller game and cleaning fish.
 
This phrase is found in California's Handgun Safety Test study guide (whatever it is called). I brought this booklet into work and ran it past all the fishing fanatics. "Does this say what I think it says?"

They reluctantly agreed that it was saying "Yes, you can concealed carry whilst hunting or fishing."

Yeeehaaaaaaaww!

Go get a fishing AND hunting licence.
 
Samael said:
Trent is correct, but if I remember correctly, that was an addendum that was tagged onto another bill that doesn't go into effect until January of '11. That won't help you out too much tomorrow.
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I read Feb 2010, but I might be mistaken. I'll see if I can dig up the info again.
 
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