For those that say Benchmade is not a good value.

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The Knifeworks Exclusive Benchmade Doug Ritter Griptilian now comes in M390 and is only $5.00 more than the previous offering in S30V.


Doug Ritter Orange Mini RSK MK1 Stone Washed M390 Blade (Knifeworks Exclusive): $129.95

Doug Ritter Black Mini RSK MK1 Stone Washed M390 Blade (Knifeworks Exclusive): $129.95

Doug Ritter Orange RSK MK1 Stone Washed M390 Blade (Knifeworks Exclusive): $139.95

Doug Ritter Black RSK MK1 Stone Washed M390 Blade (Knifeworks Exclusive): $139.95


On top of that you get free clips (10 a year) which are always available, blade replacement for $30.00, as well as their Lifesharp services for $5.00. Pretty much a lifetime warranty.

Great Job Benchmade and Doug Ritter!
 
Don't trust that the heat treatment will be any good. Actually, I don't really believe that anything about the knife will be any good except for the lock.
 
I think BM is a good value, but won't buy a Ritter because for some stupid reason BM refuses to come out with more thumb hole options, including these.

bodog said:
Don't trust that the heat treatment will be any good. Actually, I don't really believe that anything about the knife will be any good except for the lock.
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What makes you say that? From BM, I'd expect it's spot on. And you add that it's a Ritter, you're good to go. Any issues they had were minor, and were a few years back.
 
I agree the thunhole is far better than the thunb stub. I don't think BM wants to be seen as a Spyderco copy and that's why they stick with the studs.
 
I have a few gripes with benchmade's models, at least the ones I handled so far... All of them are *just* not perfect, and I', not really willing to settle... at least for the price I'm paying here in the Netherlands (think average dollar price + 50% - 60%).

First of all I love the axis lock. Imo it's the only lock that closes as fast as it opens and all one handed. However, benchmade makes something just off in all their models. Some examples...
The Griptilian feels hollow and I didn't like the handle material. Mini grip didn't feel as hollow but same material and it's still fatter than it needed to be. Clip is crappy and the screws on the opposite side look like it's unfinished.
The sequal came close, but the G10 inserts look crappy and didn't add much, it's also a bit too flat.
The emissary is one of their best looking models, but I don't like the additional lock and the assisted opening pretty much negates the usefulness of the axis lock.
The emissary's clip is awesome, but they should have sunken it into the aluminum scale and use flathead screws.

I'd love an emissary with the lower end of the clip recessed in the handle and flat screws, no assist and no extra lock switch. Keep it simple with proper heat treated S30V or even 154CM and I'd pay the price they're asking for it now. In my opinion this would be the perfect edc.
 
Interesting. I love the Ritter folders and have never owned a blade in M390. I may have to give this ne a try. Thanks for the heads up.
 
This particular model is a home run however it doesn't make their other offers at MAP pricing any good...
 
bluemetalchurch your PM box is full. Sent you an e-mail on a somewhat related topic. Thanks for pointing out these new M390 models :thumbup: Seems like direct competition with Spyderco's S110V Manix 2 LW.
 
Im so glad I held off on getting the S30V bladed version. I will be getting one of these for sure ~
 
I'm guessing that these are a limited run? Does anyone know?
 
Nevermind I just read that m390 is now the standard steel for the Ritter. Looks like Benchmade gave me a reason to give them my money. Which is actually surprising as I thought I was done with them.
 
fetzer85 said:
No, it's the new standard steel for the Ritter folders. There's more info on the BM subforum if you're interested.
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Thanks I just read that on the sub forum. Kudos to them for doing that.
 
bodog said:
Don't trust that the heat treatment will be any good. Actually, I don't really believe that anything about the knife will be any good except for the lock.
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Yeah, what would make you say this? Is it actual experience? Do you have evidence? Or is this just an unsubstantiated troll comment?

I think it looks like a fantastic deal. BM is having a few issues that have kept me from buying new models (MAP, QC). This and the new 710 from KW are certainly welcome additions that will only help rebuild some of the brand reputation.
 
craytab said:
Yeah, what would make you say this? Is it actual experience? Do you have evidence? Or is this just an unsubstantiated troll comment?

I think it looks like a fantastic deal. BM is having a few issues that have kept me from buying new models (MAP, QC). This and the new 710 from KW are certainly welcome additions that will only help rebuild some of the brand reputation.
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That is what I call speculation or uninformed opinion. I've used a TSEK in M390 for months after I bought it and there was absolutely nothing wrong with the heat treat. The reason I've seen as to why people say there is no real value there is the unannounced price jump, consistently off centered blades, asymmetrical grinds pictured on knives, folders with notable lock rock out of the box. All issues may or may not be deal breakers, some people don't care others lose their appetite for days and struggle with these issues. In my personal opinion, Some would rather have the knife they purchase have symmetrical grinds, no lock rock, and a centered blade the first time. People get tired of having to send things back, as the saying goes... if you make it right, you won't have then make it right.
 
RevDevil said:
That is what I call speculation or uninformed opinion. I've used a TSEK in M390 for months after I bought it and there was absolutely nothing wrong with the heat treat. The reason I've seen as to why people say there is no real value there is the unannounced price jump, consistently off centered blades, asymmetrical grinds pictured on knives, folders with notable lock rock out of the box. All issues may or may not be deal breakers, some people don't care others lose their appetite for days and struggle with these issues. In my personal opinion, Some would rather have the knife they purchase have symmetrical grinds, no lock rock, and a centered blade the first time. People get tired of having to send things back, as the saying goes... if you make it right, you won't have then make it right.
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I guess I have had good luck with Benchmade. I think that any brand can have some QC issues. I've seen that on Spyderco's end as well. Hopefully Benchmade will tighten up the screws a bit and get the QC up to par on every knife.
 
RevDevil said:
That is what I call speculation or uninformed opinion. I've used a TSEK in M390 for months after I bought it and there was absolutely nothing wrong with the heat treat. The reason I've seen as to why people say there is no real value there is the unannounced price jump, consistently off centered blades, asymmetrical grinds pictured on knives, folders with notable lock rock out of the box. All issues may or may not be deal breakers, some people don't care others lose their appetite for days and struggle with these issues. In my personal opinion, Some would rather have the knife they purchase have symmetrical grinds, no lock rock, and a centered blade the first time. People get tired of having to send things back, as the saying goes... if you make it right, you won't have then make it right.
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Yeah but Rev, none of those things have anything to do with the heat treat of the M390. Having QC issues like you mentioned, and that we have seen from BM are troubling. The MAP fiasco was perplexing at best. But having a poor heat treat on a super steel is a whole different bag of worms. The poster needs to back up his assertion with evidence or it is total bull snot and needs to be pointed out as such.
 
bluemetalchurch said:
I guess I have had good luck with Benchmade. I think that any brand can have some QC issues. I've seen that on Spyderco's end as well. Hopefully Benchmade will tighten up the screws a bit and get the QC up to par on every knife.
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Every manufacturer can send out less than awesome products. No way is this isolated to Benchmade in any way at all. I've also had some Knives from other manufacturers delivered that really made me wonder what happened. What people seem to like is that some manufacturers communicate with their customers, while others don't. It's one thing to get into a full on locked horns battle, but it's another to address the issues that are consistently showing up, time after time, run after run. I love the Benchmade knives I own, but the QC seems to be all over the place. Hopefully they will spend a few extra seconds on these things before boxing them up and shipping them out.

craytab said:
Yeah but Rev, none of those things have anything to do with the heat treat of the M390. Having QC issues like you mentioned, and that we have seen from BM are troubling. The MAP fiasco was perplexing at best. But having a poor heat treat on a super steel is a whole different bag of worms. The poster needs to back up his assertion with evidence or it is total bull snot and needs to be pointed out as such.
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I agree with you 100%, no argument here. I don't get why some folks say things like that and provide no pictures, experiences, or scenarios. Just a nice blanket statement.
 
I've had a love affair with Benchmade for two decades now. That will never change (the love part hehe) regardless of their prices... With that being said, the only time I buy brand new BM's is if it's an very-LE or a disco'd model rereleased that I REALLY like. I will still buy regular Benchmades, but only through the forum exchange. The Axis lock is their saving grace at this point as all the models I like are the older ones... FYI, many of their popular models are, old standbys that have been around 5+ years. It's an awesome lock and that's what you are paying for... and yes, class leading customer service too.

That being said, man this one hard to resist... M390 Grips awe man...
 
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