Forge making questions >>Urgent<<

Harleyd2900 said:
Does this place have good prices for Kaowool? http://www.anvilfire.com/sales/k_index.htm

And Should cerablanket or kaolin blanket? What are the differences other than their width?

What should I coat the Kaowool with? Where can I get it?
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Check here: Forging Supplies

Darren Ellis has everything you need as well. On the webpage you referenced, you can see that they recommend ITC100 or first ITC200 then ITC100 over it. I just use plain ole ITC100 or Satanite right over the kaowool.

Craig
 
I just ordered satanite and itc 1000? from Darren. I got the kaowool from a pottery supply store locally.
 
Insulating ceramic fiber wools come in a variety of densities, thicknesses, and temperature ratings. Do your research and know what is the best material to get for your needs. Coating the wool with Satanite and then an overcoat of ITC100 provides a very reflective, very hot coating.

Be very careful working with these materials, please. They present some serious safety hazards for breathing and contact with skin, especially ITC100.
 
fitzo said:
Insulating ceramic fiber wools come in a variety of densities, thicknesses, and temperature ratings. Do your research and know what is the best material to get for your needs. Coating the wool with Satanite and then an overcoat of ITC100 provides a very reflective, very hot coating.

Be very careful working with these materials, please. They present some serious safety hazards for breathing and contact with skin, especially ITC100.
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So I shouldn't be mixing it up into my protein drinks Fitz???

Well Crud...

-Nick- :)

http://www.wheelerknives.com
 
Try searching your local phone book for refractory or firebrick supply stores. I stopped by a place called Industrial Firebrick in Detroit, and they had a big pile of Kaowool scraps that I could have for almost free. One "scrap" piece was 2 feet by 4 feet, which was more than big enough to make two small propane forges.

They also sold the blanket much cheaper than I could find it online.
 
Harleyd2900 said:
Does this place have good prices for Kaowool? http://www.anvilfire.com/sales/k_index.htm

And Should cerablanket or kaolin blanket? What are the differences other than their width?

What should I coat the Kaowool with? Where can I get it?
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Their 1" thick ceramic fiber blanket is only 6# density and their 8# density ceramic fiber blanket is only 1/2" thick. I carry 1" thick, 2400 degree, 8# density Inswool ceramic fiber blanket. I have 5 foot pre-cut sections for $28.50 + shipping, I think you'll be hard pressed to find a better bargain for a high quality ceramic fiber blanket. Not all ceramic fiber blankets are created equal, and Inswool HP is one of the better ones on the market.

In any case, both my site, Anvil Fire, and Zoellers site are all small businesses. Why buy from a mega mart with industrial contracts that bring them in lots of money when there are small businesses out there servicing your particular interest area only? That's a rhetorical question... :)

For coating the ceramic fiber blanket, I recommend a generous coat of Satanite and a top coat of ITC-100.

:)

-Darren
 
Darren, I was under the misunderstanding (it seems) that ITC100 and Satanite were basically the same thing, so use one or the other, in other words. What's the difference? Would adding a layer of ITC-100 over my Satanite layer in the Paint Can Forge make a big difference?
 
Chiro75 said:
Darren, I was under the misunderstanding (it seems) that ITC100 and Satanite were basically the same thing, so use one or the other, in other words. What's the difference? Would adding a layer of ITC-100 over my Satanite layer in the Paint Can Forge make a big difference?
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Satanite is just a refractory mortar that we use for stabilizing the fibers and adding some robustness to the forge walls. It has the dual benefit that it can also be used for clay coating blades as well.

ITC-100 is a highly reflective refractory coating used to improve the efficiency of a forge and come up to temp faster. ITC-100 can be used to stabilize the ceramic fiber blanket as well, however, since it's more expensive (but worth every penny), conventional wisdom is to base coat with Satanite first and then top coat with ITC-100, that way you can use significantly less of the ITC-100.

If you want flux resistance for your forge, neither of the above two refractory coatings will do the trick. In that case, I carry a Bubble Alumina refractory coating that will give you good flux resistance for an Inswool/Kaowool lined forge. It's not on my website yet, but I'll be adding it during the next update...I took a bunch to Blade and sold out of every bit of it...

:)

-Darren
 
Darren Ellis said:
Satanite is just a refractory mortar that we use for stabilizing the fibers and adding some robustness to the forge walls. It has the dual benefit that it can also be used for clay coating blades as well.

ITC-100 is a highly reflective refractory coating used to improve the efficiency of a forge and come up to temp faster. ITC-100 can be used to stabilize the ceramic fiber blanket as well, however, since it's more expensive (but worth every penny), conventional wisdom is to base coat with Satanite first and then top coat with ITC-100, that way you can use significantly less of the ITC-100.

If you want flux resistance for your forge, neither of the above two refractory coatings will do the trick. In that case, I carry a Bubble Alumina refractory coating that will give you good flux resistance for an Inswool/Kaowool lined forge. It's not on my website yet, but I'll be adding it during the next update...I took a bunch to Blade and sold out of every bit of it...

:)

-Darren
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yeah what he said..
I got my stuff from Daren the other day ,, to redue mine :D
 
I have tryed calling just about everyone in Louisiana who deals with pottery and insulation. No one can help me :(. I am just going to go and get it off the internet.

Forge makers where do you buy your materials from?
 
Harleyd2900 said:
I have tryed calling just about everyone in Louisiana who deals with pottery and insulation. No one can help me :(. I am just going to go and get it off the internet.

Forge makers where do you buy your materials from?
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Young man, are you being dense or are you insulting everyone by not reading what's being written:

http://refractory.elliscustomknifeworks.com/
 
 
For years I have been using something I got at Seattle Pottery, called Sairset, which is a mortar used for brick kilns. It has worked great for the forge. Whenever it cracks I just smear another coating on by hand and season it with heat. I no longer see it on the SP site and wonder if it has been replaced by ITC or if it is the same product with a different name? Anyone know?
 
Fox said:
For years I have been using something I got at Seattle Pottery, called Sairset, which is a mortar used for brick kilns. It has worked great for the forge. Whenever it cracks I just smear another coating on by hand and season it with heat. I no longer see it on the SP site and wonder if it has been replaced by ITC or if it is the same product with a different name? Anyone know?
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Hi Fox,

I'm not sure why they quit carrying it... Sairset is the "wet" pre-mixed version of the material I carry...Sairbond. It's just a thin-set high strength 3000 degree F refractory mortar for troweling thin joints (<1/8") for firebricks. I originally started carrying it for some guys who were using it for building soft brick heat treating ovens, but it also works well for coating Inswool with just like Satanite. I find it to be a bit too coarse grained for using it for clay coating though, so I don't usually recommend it for that purpose. I'm actually going to discontinue carrying it (except by special order) once I sell out of my stock of Sairbond, as not many people know what it is and I don't move a lot of it...can't afford to sit on stock that isn't selling...and Satanite has become pretty much the accepted standard, especially due to it's dual use nature.

:)

-Darren
 
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