Forgive them they know not and may care less

lt632ret

lt632ret

Joined
Jan 21, 2001
Messages
1,634
Here is a feller I like, he seems straight up. SCHRADE SAM COLT BOWIE KNIFE w/SHEATH Item number: 6573820224 . Now I understand what he is talking about since I sent the one I won ( from another seller not him ) back . I received my money back and have nothing to say but thankyou. The point being a certificate, box, or statment of authenticity has nothing to do with what an item really is unless the buyer and seller know what the item is, it is simply a matter of faith or conjecture. I remember a whole tray of these that I passed over for the very reason the selller mentions. Now in some cases the seller cares in some he will simply make good, in others he may just be a thief. None the less knowledge of what the item is, stands as the second criteria. The honor of the person you are dealing with is the first. What always amazes me is that these particular knives by order of the contractor ( Colt ) were never tang marked Schrade. You would think that this would be mentioned in the ad but usually it never is. LT
 
He went to a lot of trouble to show and explain the defect. I am pretty sure someone could put the dark wash on the etch, but weren't they rejects, so they stopped working on them? Those are nice knives.

Codger
 
How do you dark wash an electro etch??? Perhapes smokey could smoke them a bit. No not rejects just not accepted by Colt. So they sat and then they were sold as a part of the whole enchalada. However when they ( the big buyer of the lot) looked, they did not see and did not care so they were sold a bit light without even mentioning, that Colt, did not want a Schrade tang. Like I said aint no thing it is just interesting. LT
 
Electro etching removes metal leaving a textured surface. The surface protected by the mask, or "resist" is not etched. Etching leaves bare metal, but doesn't color it. That takes a seperate step. Perhaps they followed the neutralizer wash with a black plating of some sort, but the texture would also hold ink. You would have to buff the ink off the higher polished areas since the mask (or chemical resist coating) has been removed, but using a smooth buffing, the ink would remain in the lower textured areas. This from one of my early "hats" as a lithographer. We had to proof printing plates this way before sending them on to the printing presses. And it may not be at all the way Schrade accomplished the darkened areas, but I think it would work as a restoration of the design. True, it still would not be a perfectly finished factory example, but it would show the detail of the design. Unless the etch itself was way too light and spotty.

Codger
 
I suppose if you really wanted to you could turn it into a plowshare but at over 350 dollars I figure it should be right or at least explained that it is wrong.

The question here is not a technical one as to if it could be altered to be almost as good as an original factory piece because that is what it was supposed to be when he bought it. but rather the fact that the piece was not correct and the seller either didn't know it or chose not to mention it. However like I said if the seller was the same as the one I bought mine from they did return the money and I have bought from them before and since. They are a big outfit and like everyone else make mistakes and of course like another Tenn outfit we know deal with a lot of foreign outfits and quite rightly are in business to make a dollar. I am not casting any stones simply pointing out to the buyer that they should be aware of what they are getting what to expect and not to put there faith in the fact that the item is in a box or has a piece of paper authorizing or guaranteing something. Often the seller does not know what he is selling or hasen't the time or inclination to find out. Sometimes they make claims that they believe are true but never the less are not. Sometimes a buyer just looks at the piece and does not like it whatever the case, the main point is that whatever the reason if the buyer can return the item that is the bottom line. I do not know who this fellow bought his from either he could not return it or chose not to. I once returned a knife I bought for 7000 dollars of course I bought another of the same model from the same seller for 8000. Which I should have done in the first place. Still when I told the seller I was sending it back. His answer was the last thing he wanted was me unhappy with a knife and he would much rather return my money. That is my feeling towards buyers as well I had a knife returned to me a while back the fellow was not happy with the walk and talk. I saw nothing wrong with the piece but refunded the money actually I sent another which he was pleased with. However when he started to explain why he was returning it. I stopped him and pointed out that my ad says if the buyer is not satisfied for any reason purchase price would be refunded The ad also used to say " I do not want to know the reason. " Like I said to me this it is just an interesting observation regarding this whole field of commerce and dealing knives. I still believe that the best way to buy an item like this is to do it in person second best is the right of return for any reason. LT
 
I am pretty sure someone could put the dark wash on the etch, but weren't they rejects, so they stopped working on them? Those are nice knives.
Click to expand...

Micheal that knife above you were refering has now long since gone from ebay records (2004). Were you saying that the deep areas of the etching on the blade were not colored black or dark as they would be normally had they gone through the final etch coloring stage?

Do you think this one in the following link is the same, missing the dark etch? It looks too light to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Schrade-Colt-Bo...ryZ43325QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
Tim,
I believe those were engraved by Aurum, looks like the couple of finished ones I've seen. I don't think they had a blackened background, but Maybe someone else knows for sure,
Eric
 
this should advertize only as a Colt knife.the stampings is what makes the knife aColt knife.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top