Fossilised wood scales - is it possible?

Rod Neep

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A question for the knife makers....

I have seen handles made from Jet, Malachite, and various other stones. Would it be possible to make scales from fossilised wood? It is pretty hard stuff, effectively silicified wood. It polishes superbly!

But so dramatic!
These two photos are of a lump of it from Washington State. (With my thumb in there for scale). The first is a vertical cut down a tree, and the second is a cut showing the end grain. (Note how the bark has fossilised as white).



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That must have been tough on the chain saw !!! It is in effect 'stabilized' wood , stabilized with minerals and therefore is stone ,hard , brittle.You would have to stay away from cracks , but it can be done.
 
I'd gladly make a knife using it if I had some available. Your sample looks superb and if you do not use it I would say 'if not why not'. I already think you know to grind it wet and not allow machining to over heat it. I have often thought of using some. I bet it would make a heavy handle though.

RL
 
If it is truly fossilized you will need a diamond saw,diamond drills, and lapidary grinding equipment.You can grind it on CZ belts if you go slow and don't overheat it.It makes great looking handles,but is heavy.
I have been looking for a big coprolite to make IG a knife .If you think they set down a oosik knife fast when you tell them what it is,imagine how they would react to hearing that it is handled in petrified Dino Crap.
SA
 
bladsmth said:
If it is truly fossilized you will need a diamond saw,diamond drills, and lapidary grinding equipment.You can grind it on CZ belts if you go slow and don't overheat it.It makes great looking handles,but is heavy.
I have been looking for a big coprolite to make IG a knife .If you think they set down a oosik knife fast when you tell them what it is,imagine how they would react to hearing that it is handled in petrified Dino Crap.
SA
Hey!!! I thought I was the only one making crappy knives around hear. So now you are going to start????? :rolleyes: :D
 
I've never tried wood George, but did use fossilized whale bone. I assume it's same thing. You can cut it with a Skil saw and masonry blade. It takes forever and you can grind it with good belts....it takes forever and you can drill it with masonry bits......it takes forever....

and it takes a beautiful polish.....it takes forever......but....

It smells like every fish in the sea for the last million years took a whiz on it!
 
Don: I was told that the captain will not let the deck crew keep any whale bones that they may drag up during the summer months just because of the smell.
I still waiting for the 2 1/2# piece that I sent to WSSI to come back. I also will be getting 2 more rib bones.
 
Boy, you guys jumped right into my stuff. I make more gemstone handled knives than any single maker in the world. Period.

Most of the stuff you see out there is plastic rock, that is, acrylic or polyester with powdered dyes and maybe a bit of stone dust thrown in. This grates me. Companies and some unsurly characters who sell the stuff call it "stabilized." There is no such actual working description in the REAL gem world. Stone is classified as semi-precious or precious, or "gem," or "rock." Serious collectors stay away from plastic rock. It's just a hunk of colored plastic. Might as well make a handle out of a childs toy or a plastic car bumper if you're using that stuff.

bladsmth is right, to work real gem you need a complete lapidary shop. You'll need diamond lapidary saws that run under oil, wet lapidary grinders, wet silicon carbide or diamond sanders, small wet finishing tools, and an unbelievable amount of patience. There is a reason that most makers do not use stone, in that it takes a complete lapidary shop and the skill and training to run it.

And NO, you can't use your ceramic belts to grind gemstone on your belt grinder. It will smoke and burn and get hot, and though you may actually pull off a small handle, it will look smoked and burned and not polished. Your belts will absolutely be polished smooth within a minute. I know of some big time makers who have done this and actually sold the knives, but they really look like crap.

Speaking of crap, that is, fossilized dinosaur coprolite, please take a look at this knife. It IS dinosaur coprolite, that is, a gemstone replacement fossil that is actually microcrystaline quartz. So it is real stone, very hard, and difficult to work, finish and particularly to attach to a knife.
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This knife is a collaboration with the late Gerry Hurst, and most of the work on the knife is mine. You can see other pictures and more information on this knife HERE
Another concern raised in this post is the weight of the handle. Yes, there are special considerations necessary with rock, including but not limited to weight, strength, fracture potential, mechanical and adhesive bonding, some stones need sealing, there is cross-sectional area stability, fracs, vugs, voids, dispersion boundaries and other stuff. There are literally a dozen different polishing techniques, and you'll have to know the exact one to bring your stone to full luster. Working with rock is not for the faint of heart! There is a step where you SLAM the slab on a wood surface to see if it will break! Don't try this with mother of pearl!
I've made gem handles longer than anyone alive today, and more of them. In most of the shows and talk you hear about knives, I'm the guy they talk about with the rock handles. I've made probably a thousand. They can be made quite servicable (I have a bunch over in Iraq right now), and stone can be harder, more durable, and a heck of a lot more valuable than most other materials. In all the years, I've NEVER had one fail, NOT ONE. But working with it is a whole new ball game.
I love stone. It is fantastic in play of light, colors and patterns, intensity and feel. You know it instantly when you pic it up. On a well balanced knife, you won't want anything else after you've had the best. But them, I'm biased...

On your original post, Rod, your server must be completely clogged, because I can only recieve a bit of the pictures. But it is enough to know you're in posession of a piece of Petrified Wood, probably quartzine and calcite based. I don't know if this particuar piece would take an even polish, sometimes multiple material gems "dig" out softer areas inhibiting an even polish. Even so, I've used petrified wood a heck of a lot. And there are much more striking pieces and colors than white and tan and brown, though their modest statement can be quite beautiful if the cut is right. I could write a book on just how to cut a rock and see totally different and striking patterns, and I'm learning more all the time!

Did you know that there are 40 new minerals discovered each year?

Here are a few different and striking gem handled knives I've made:
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Please take a look at my site, as you will see well over a hundred gemstone handled knives and learn a bunch about this practice. Incidentally, it is not new. The ancients have made gem handled knives in many cultures and for centuries, and some striking Persian jade inlaid with gold wire and globs of rubys and saphires comes to mind.

I could talk stone for hours, but I've actually got to engrave some stone right now. Oh, here's a pic of that kind of work in PETRIFIED PALM TREE WOOD (Jasper-very hard and tough):Learn more about this knife HERE
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Now that is what I call dimension Jay...

Some beautiful work with unique materials. I bet the questions come fast when your customers see stone in the handle makeup...

Doc
 
nice stone work.....only made one knife so far with stone handles (thanks John Andrews!) and didn't do the lapidary stuff myself. Amazing work, though.

Great pics, Jay!
 
You are most welcome, Dan. Jay, that is some beautiful work! I never realized you was into the stone handles , let alone, in such a big way. Roger made that fossilized coral handled knife for his daughter, a real eye candy. Roger, how about posting a pic of that again? The coral is a local stone from this area. I never realized it could look so good, until our Roger Linger put that rough chunk to work. Oh yeah, and Roger's cave bear tooth knife. That knife is etched in my mind, forever!
 
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