Found what United did with the leftovers!

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philw

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Received my issue of Knife World today and on page 8 there is an exact replica of a Sharpfinger. Then again it may not be a replica. It is called "Outdoor Life" and is listed as:
FS0152C
Small Fixed Blade Hunter
*Handcrafted in the USA
*Textured Zytel handle
*420-HC High Carbon Stainless Steel Blade
*Genuine Leather Sheath
*7 3/16" overall length
At the bottom of the ad it lists United's contact information. I checked the United website and they have it listed but they do not have a picture up yet. I did not notice anything else on the website that reminded me of Schrade. Their MSRP is $49.99
 
Has anyone seen the Cold Steel Schrade knockoffs? I wonder if they are Chinese. If not I'm tempted to get one. Not a big Cold Steel fan but I do like the Carbon V steel.
 
yobbos1 said:
Has anyone seen the Cold Steel Schrade knockoffs? I wonder if they are Chinese. If not I'm tempted to get one. Not a big Cold Steel fan but I do like the Carbon V steel.
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Are you referring to the CS stockmans and trappers? If so, they are made in the USA. I understand that they are made by Camillus. I have a Cold Steel medium stockman. I rather like it.
 
yobbos1 said:
Has anyone seen the Cold Steel Schrade knockoffs? I wonder if they are Chinese. If not I'm tempted to get one. Not a big Cold Steel fan but I do like the Carbon V steel.
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I was looking at those, but from the closeup pictures I have seen the blades look too roughly ground. I haven't seen one in person, but they don't appear to have the same smoothed-over brush finish as other low-priced knives. I really don't like Carbon steel blades that have a rough finish. Can anyone verify the texture of these blades? Like a Camillus Yellow-Jacket, or more like an "as ground" low-end Case?

I also don't care for the black handles. I hope to become known on this forum as the guy who does not want any more black handle knives. Seriously people, it's like 95% of my collection. Sometimes I cave in if the knife in question is cool enough.
 
Cool! Looks like a Schrade pattern with carbon steel too.

Are these on their way in or out?
 
Carl64 said:
Cool! Looks like a Schrade pattern with carbon steel too.

Are these on their way in or out?
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It is a relatively new series. A forum search will turn up a review/comparison with the 152OT. I think we will see a lot of other manufacturers pick up Schrade patterns, particularly the ones with expired patents.

Codger
 
On those Cold Steel knives, I am going nuts looking for the Cold Steel Ozark Hunter, any help is appreciated, I was going to get a Remington Bullet knife, but decided against it.
 
I also found out what United has done with some Schrade stuff. I got my SMKW catalog today in the mail and on page 31 is a nice looking liner lock folder called the Blacktail, not that long ago it was called the Badger by Schrade. Check it out and tell me if I'm wrong.
 
IMO, if United is using the Schrade parts to make their own products, they're missing out on an opportunity. If they advertised them as "made from the last Schrade parts," "assembled from warehouse find components," etc. they'd be much more interesting.

-Bob
 
OTguy said:
I also found out what United has done with some Schrade stuff. I got my SMKW catalog today in the mail and on page 31 is a nice looking liner lock folder called the Blacktail, not that long ago it was called the Badger by Schrade. Check it out and tell me if I'm wrong.
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That does look like the SX4B Badger. I found it on their website too, but it says "out of stock" right now. $9.99? For 2/3 of the original dealer price. Reckon they have $2 invested? Quite interesting.

Bob W said:
IMO, if United is using the Schrade parts to make their own products, they're missing out on an opportunity. If they advertised them as "made from the last Schrade parts," "assembled from warehouse find components," etc. they'd be much more interesting.
-Bob
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I really doubt they can do that since the IP is owned by someone else who is, as we have seen, rather posessive of the trademarks. Besides, to advertise them as being "Schrades" would be advertising for the new owner of the IP. I am sure they would rather, by leaving it unsaid, infer that the designs were their own. But then again, I would not be too surprised to see the IP owner begin producing knives for United to sell under their name. I guess we'll just have to hide and watch, and act surprised as to how it all shakes out. It is fun to keep up with who is who in the zoo. :p

Codger
 
If it's truthful, I don't think there'd be a legal problem with describing the knives as "made from leftover Schrade components." Otherwise I am completely uninterested in United or Taylor products.

I suspect in the case of the Badger/Black Tail that United has merely 'borrowed' the Schrade design. Or as suggested, United could be selling the knives for Taylor.

Best Wishes,
Bob
 
A legal problem arises by using the name Schrade in any commercial venture, unless of course there is a limited licensing agreement allowing them to do so. But I think the sticking point for other manufacturers is using a name anywhere in their marketing other than their own. Thus we see the United offering, and the Camillus, renamed and no reference to the origin of the material or design. And it leaves them open to continue to produce the patterns, or shop them out to Taylor for marking with their own trademarks.

Taylor is still quite a few months away from finishing their tooling for the new Taylor-Schrades. Normal lead time from drawings to production run-at-rate is somewhere between six months and a year, usually closer to a year. And that does not include distribution and market introduction. Smaller custom shops like Canal Street Cutlery may be able to do it faster, but that is an exception to the general rule. I predict we will begin to see the Taylor-Schrades some time in late-mid summer to early fall. What patterns they will choose is at this point anyone's guess.

Codger
 
I re-visited the old Schrade website today. I think Taylor Cutlery has named the new Schrades for us. Behold "The Next Generation"! :eek:
 
Bob W said:
IMO, if United is using the Schrade parts to make their own products, they're missing out on an opportunity. If they advertised them as "made from the last Schrade parts," "assembled from warehouse find components," etc. they'd be much more interesting.

-Bob
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Can't, Taylor bought the rights to the Schrade name.
 
silenthunterstudios said:
Can't, Taylor bought the rights to the Schrade name.
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Unless there was a specific agreement made as part of the sale or auction, I don't see a copyright or trademark law prohibiting a manufacturer from stating the source of their parts as long as they don't imply anything more than the truth. Of course, we don't really know the truth just yet. The knife in question could just be a knockoff.
 
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