Frame-lock folder designs

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Hi Guys,

I have made a number of fixed blades and I am looking into making my first folder. From what I understand designing these things is a bit of a challenge. I'd love to hear any pointers you guys have on designing a frame lock folder? Thanks!
 
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Just some friendly advice. These guys are about the most generous individuals when it comes to information, some of it hard earned or costly to learn, that I've ever met. And the way you're going about asking for help is one of the few, possibly only, ways to assure they choose not to share it with you.
 
Sorry about that, I didn't mean to come across as cutting corners via other peoples work. I've just been super frustrated as of late because I've sunk a fair amount of time into designs that have failed miserably.
 
I’m also in the midst of doing some designing for a folder. Mine is a liner lock and I still have a ways to go. I got some helpful advice recently that maybe can help you at least a little?

I had been using a computer to try and do some “drawing” and at least for me, it posed some challenges. Find something that works for you. I decided to once again try paper at the suggestion of a guy who has designed several cool knives. I started drawing out a blade shape that I liked, which frankly took a while (and it still has room for improvement...). I left what will be the tang long and then took the drawing to the copier. I cut out the photocopied blade and put a push pin a little below center where I thought I’d want the pivot. Then a traced around th blade. After that, I rotated the blade to what would be the closed position and traced the blade again. Then, I could try and draw a handle around the blade. One thing I figured out the first go around was the pivot point wasn’t low enough from center. When the blade was “closed”, the edge was too close to where the back spacer or standoffs would be. Reposition the pin a tad lower and that lowers where the blade edge ends up, giving room for the back spacer.

Now, that doesn’t cover a bunch of design, where to put the end of the tang and lock bar, etc. And I’m not there yet with the design, but it’s further along than I was before. The nice thing about it is you can end up with a blade and handle template that you know will “fit” each other. You can make multiple copies and tweak stuff and then I plan to transfer it to some thin sheet metal to make templates once I land on a final design. You can experiment with stop pin placement and get all the holes lined out so you don’t have as much chance of messing up expensive materials (ask me how I know that...).

Another thing I’d suggest that might help some is check out some of the folder WIPs. There are some great ones that even if they don’t give you specific designs or distances from the outside of the pivot hole to where the lock bar hits the tang, the pictures really help get things working in your head. Folders are really cool and one of the reasons I got started in making knives. Hope some of this helps. As you move through the process and run into challenges, hit up some of the folks on here with specific questions and I’ll bet you get some good ideas. I think there was one on here in the last few days about detent balls that has some really good info. With folders, there’s just SO much and when you change one thing, it in turn changes several other things a lot of the time. Best of luck to you as the project moves forward.

Jeremy
 
Just some friendly advice. These guys are about the most generous individuals when it comes to information, some of it hard earned or costly to learn, that I've ever met. And the way you're going about asking for help is one of the few, possibly only, ways to assure they choose not to share it with you.

well said J, I would say - MOST of it hard earned AND costly to learn :-)
 
Sorry about that, I didn't mean to come across as cutting corners via other peoples work. I've just been super frustrated as of late because I've sunk a fair amount of time into designs that have failed miserably.

Show us. We're much more inclined to help you resolve your design problems than just hand over one of our own, for a couple reasons. First, it shows us you're putting effort into figuring things out, second, you're more likely to learn from fixing your own design, and of course, because while most of us recognize there's nothing new under the sun, we're still hesitant to encourage people copy our own somewhat unique designs.

In fact, if you post your failures and ask for help in resolving their problems, you'll likely get multiple people not just willing but motivated to help you.
 
There’s a liner lock and frame lock wip in the stickies that will point you in the right direction. I did a few friction folders first, and am working on a liner lock now. That said, I’ve started three times as many folders as I’ve finished. This is how you learn. I do a mock up in thin g-10 to make sure everything lines up and fits in the allotted space first.
 
I haven’t built a folder yet, but would think that an inexpensive knife kit, or even a complete knife that you dis-assemble yourself would be a treasure trove of patterns to follow.
 
Moopahtroopa, I am close to where you are. Tried one folder just by the seat of my pants and it was an abject failure. Then i bought a little book, The Handcrafted Folding Knife by Mark Malmros. His choices of method and materials are not anywhere near where I want to end up but they are a heck of a starting point. I forced myself to follow the book step by step and, by golly, I have a pretty decent little lock back folder in my pocket right this minute. To further set the whole process in my mind I am forcing myself to do 5 more the same way. At the end of those I will have used up my original materials and will try something little different. The relationships between the various pieces in a folding knife are amazingly critical. Those able to do CAD drawings have a huge advantage over us old timers.
 
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